2013 Draft Lottery thread

Looking at pictures of AD next to Drummond, I think he may be a legitimate 7'0 foot now. And if not he's very close.

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Originally Posted by eballa1

From Jennifer Hale:

@PelicansNBA GM Dell Demps says the team was one lottery ball shy of snagging the 3rd pick tonight at the NBA Lottery.
8:53pm - 21 May 13

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That sucks! It sounds like they are going to go with a rotational guy like Bennett maybe? I still would rather C.J., but it would be nice if Burke could fall.

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Originally Posted by Coughka

I'm on the Zeller train.

Faster than Oladipo at the combine, the highest vert of any bigman in recent memory, best agility time, and he's a terrific offensive player.

6'11" wingspan is a bit low but it's not bad or anything, and we have our rim-protector in Anthony Davis. A super athletic, offensively minded 7 foot center next to him sounds great to me.

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Zeller more PF than center but I wouldn't hate it. Rather Len

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Looking at pictures of AD next to Drummond, I think he may be a legitimate 7'0 foot now. And if not he's very close.

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You know Drummond 6'10 right. Or was anyway.

Of course truth is you may end up being ecstatic you didn't get the guy you wanted at 3. Kings were happy they got Thomas Robinson last year over Damion Lillard...

It'll all work itself out. Have faith!!!

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Originally Posted by Coughka

I'm on the Zeller train.

Faster than Oladipo at the combine, the highest vert of any bigman in recent memory, best agility time, and he's a terrific offensive player.

6'11" wingspan is a bit low but it's not bad or anything, and we have our rim-protector in Anthony Davis. A super athletic, offensively minded 7 foot center next to him sounds great to me.

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I'm sure it's nice and roomy on that train.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'm sure it's nice and roomy on that train.

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I can't wait to see what this number 6 pick will get us.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

You know Drummond 6'10 right. Or was anyway.

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Actually he measured 6'11.75 with shoes.

Really? Either Davis is rockin' platform shoes or he's grown another quarter of an inch or more on top of the half inch he's grown since we drafted him.

Or the pic I'm looking at has weird perspective and Drummond's head not being straight up will make up more height than I'm assuming it would.

I think C.J. McCollum is going to kill it in the workouts, raise his stock, and become our lottery pick at #6. Dude can shoot the hell out of the rock, can create his own shot off the dribble, and plays defense. That's just too much potential to pass up IMO.

I would be cool with McCollum at 6. He can flat out play. Zeller would be fine too. He's an offensive dynamo in this draft.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Really? Either Davis is rockin' platform shoes or he's grown another quarter of an inch or more on top of the half inch he's grown since we drafted him.

Or the pic I'm looking at has weird perspective and Drummond's head not being straight up will make up more height than I'm assuming it would.

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This one?

https://twitter.com/detroitpistons/s...419776/photo/1

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'm sure it's nice and roomy on that train.

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Still some first class seats left.

Get on now and you get complimentary nuts.

I'd take Zeller over Noel after that 206 weigh in for Noel. I still think Zeller has a good career ahead of him.

Zeller is being undersold.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Zeller is being undersold.

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Do you think his game compliments or can compliment ADs effectively?

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Do you think his game compliments or can compliment ADs effectively?

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Definitely. If the top 5 picks are Noel, Burke, McLemore, Oladipo and Porter, I'd have a hard time choosing between Bazz and Zeller.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Definitely. If the top 5 picks are Noel, Burke, McLemore, Oladipo and Porter, I'd have a hard time choosing between Bazz and Zeller.

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They would certainly be my top two preferences at that point.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/C.J.-McCollum-5860/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/

Man their profiles looks mighty similar even though Stephen overall was a better scorer, 3 point and free throw shooter in college. But the strengths and weakness are exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by Coughka

Still some first class seats left.

Get on now and you get complimentary nuts.

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:help:

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Never discount the chance someone reaches on someone based on limited production like Waiters last year.

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That wasn't a reach. Waiters was a fast riser before the draft. He looks like a great pick given how he played late in the season.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

This one?

https://twitter.com/detroitpistons/s...419776/photo/1

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No. First I've seen of this. Huh.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Really? Either Davis is rockin' platform shoes or he's grown another quarter of an inch or more on top of the half inch he's grown since we drafted him.

Or the pic I'm looking at has weird perspective and Drummond's head not being straight up will make up more height than I'm assuming it would.

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You can't really judge height based off of photo's.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

That wasn't a reach. Waiters was a fast riser before the draft. He looks like a great pick given how he played late in the season.

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Don't forget you have the benefit of retrospect here. At the time, a lot of reaction was that Cleveland took him too high, or reached.

Just because the pick is working out doesn't change the perception at the time.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

You know Drummond 6'10 right. Or was anyway.

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Drummond measured 7 feet.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Drummond measured 7 feet.

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With 2 inch heels, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

With 2 inch heels, maybe.

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6'11.75 in basketball shoes.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

6'11.75 in basketball shoes.

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He gained 2 inches with shoes with is really unusual, but even if you give him the more traditional 1.25' he's still 6'11 even.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He gained 2 inches with shoes with is really unusual, but even if you give him the more traditional 1.25' he's still 6'11 even.

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Last year as well. Everyone wants to keep saying ad can and has grown. So with that logic so could have drummond. I've always liked him, would have taken him number 2.

I still remember Drummond slid past Portland last year. I saw a glimmer of shining hope that we might land him at 10. Then Detroit ruined a beautiful thing.

They need to stop listing players based on height w/ shoes. What's the point? Just wear thicker shoes. It's also ridiculous that Thomas Robinson gets listed at the same height as Anthony Davis & Andre Drummond (6'10") on NBA.com despite the fact that he measured lower w/ shoes than Davis & Drummond measured w/o shoes. If I remember correctly, he only measured 6'8.75" w/ shoes and still gets rounded up a full inch and a quarter.

Anyway... as for Cleveland getting #1 pick again... they still won't turn out like OKC. OKC had picks #2, 3, 4, 5, & 24 over three years while Cleveland now has picks #1, 1, 4, 4, 24 over three years. Except unfortunately for Cleveland... the two years they had #1 it was a very weak draft and I personally think they made a bad choice with Waiters. While he may turn into a good player, I thought Barnes was a much better player & prospect.

To me, Kyrie Irving & Nerlens Noel would be like having Gilbert Arenas & Marcus Camby.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

I still remember Drummond slid past Portland last year. I saw a glimmer of shining hope that we might land him at 10. Then Detroit ruined a beautiful thing.

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I still don't think the Hornets would have selected him. I think Monty's personal relationship with Rivers swayed that pick.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I would be cool with McCollum at 6. He can flat out play. Zeller would be fine too. He's an offensive dynamo in this draft.

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Agreed on both counts. Though I'm starting to believe the same as Mike Mc and others referencing how Monty brought up Rivers along with Davis in that interview... I really think he wants him to be our starting PG. I suppose they could try CJ at the 2 in that case (at least more so than Burke if he was taken). But I can guarantee you that CJ is going to wow in workouts ala Lillard.

As far as Zeller, I've made my opinion known that he is my top C prospect (yes, C not PF) over Len. Way over Len. Only problem is his brother has had some real problems putting weight on in Cleveland, and he has the same body type and genetics. But talk about athletic... Davis and Zeller running the floor? Wow.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Agreed on both counts. Though I'm starting to believe the same as Mike Mc and others referencing how Monty brought up Rivers along with Davis in that interview... I really think he wants him to be our starting PG. I suppose they could try CJ at the 2 in that case (at least more so than Burke if he was taken). But I can guarantee you that CJ is going to wow in workouts ala Lillard.

As far as Zeller, I've made my opinion known that he is my top C prospect (yes, C not PF) over Len. Way over Len. Only problem is his brother has had some real problems putting weight on in Cleveland, and he has the same body type and genetics. But talk about athletic... Davis and Zeller running the floor? Wow.

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Yeah, it concerned me that Monty brought up Rivers as well. I do think he wants him to be our PG. I worry that his personal feeling for Rivers are playing into his decision making. I wonder how many other coaches feel Rivers has PG ability. I hope Monty is right or he could set this team back a ways in its rebuilding. I think CJ is going to impress as well. However, if Monty is sold on Rivers, I do not see him taking him.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I still don't think the Hornets would have selected him. I think Monty's personal relationship with Rivers swayed that pick.

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It certainty would have been a predicament for the front office. Who was next after us? Portland? They would have had the two biggest steals if so.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, it concerned me that Monty brought up Rivers as well. I do think he wants him to be our PG. I worry that his personal feeling for Rivers are playing into his decision making. I wonder how many other coaches feel Rivers has PG ability. I hope Monty is right or he could set this team back a ways in its rebuilding. I think CJ is going to impress as well. However, if Monty is sold on Rivers, I do not see him taking him.

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Rivers played better as a PG. The team is doing the right thing developing him for the position he plays best. Forcing rivers to play SG just because you want to draft a 2nd tier PG this year doesn't really help the rebuild either.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I still don't think the Hornets would have selected him. I think Monty's personal relationship with Rivers swayed that pick.

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What prospect was better than Rivers at 10?

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Rivers played better as a PG. The team is doing the right thing developing him for the position he plays best. Forcing rivers to play SG just because you want to draft a 2nd tier PG this year doesn't really help the rebuild either.

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1. Considering Rivers hadn't played PG until this year, I don't consider it "forcing" him to play SG.

2. I didn't want the dude ANYWAY, why do we have to build our entire rebuilding plan around a 10th pick that had a historically bad season last year? That's ludicrous imo.

3. I don't think you can "tier" any player before they've played a minute at the next level. Where would you have tiered Lillard?

You're ignoring that he looked better at PG than SG and that he clearly started to "get it" at the end of his season and showed some flashes of a really good player in the making.

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Originally Posted by donato

You're ignoring that he looked better at PG than SG and that he clearly started to "get it" at the end of his season and showed some flashes of a really good player in the making.

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I'm not at all, and I've said extensively that I saw the same thing you guys saw prior to the broken hand.

Doesn't mean you base your entire rebuild future on that 14 games worth of progression. Additionally, he played more PG AS he started to "get it". Chicken or egg? I think he would have "gotten it" at SG as well.

I want Rivers on this team. But at SG. Probably 6th man SG.

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Originally Posted by donato

You're ignoring that he looked better at PG than SG and that he clearly started to "get it" at the end of his season and showed some flashes of a really good player in the making.

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I don't think he ever consistently showed that he can play the PG. He looked terrible at both positions over the course of the season, so to say he looked better at PG is all relative. He had a few games where he played better before he got hurt, but not a big enough sample to determine if it was an improvement in his overall game or a just a few good games. He is a work in progress and is very young, so there is hope. I hope he develops as a top PG because I think Monty is hell bent on using him there. He worries me though because he is not a distributor, tries to make his living on driving to the basket to draw a foul (and does not have the body to do this on a regular basis in the NBA) and is a bad FT shooter.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

1. Considering Rivers hadn't played PG until this year, I don't consider it "forcing" him to play SG.

2. I didn't want the dude ANYWAY, why do we have to build our entire rebuilding plan around a 10th pick that had a historically bad season last year? That's ludicrous imo.

3. I don't think you can "tier" any player before they've played a minute at the next level. Where would you have tiered Lillard?

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If it's not Trey Burke, I don't see a PG worth drafting over our other needs, so, no, it's not ludicrous. Lillard was in the 2nd tier and clearly the best PG available. I had wet dreams of a Davis/Lillard or Davis/drummond draft.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I'm not at all, and I've said extensively that I saw the same thing you guys saw prior to the broken hand.

Doesn't mean you base your entire rebuild future on that 14 games worth of progression. Additionally, he played more PG AS he started to "get it". Chicken or egg? I think he would have "gotten it" at SG as well.

I want Rivers on this team. But at SG. Probably 6th man SG.

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Agree. You don't pass on better options cause rivers improved from historically bad to bad. If he comes along n grows into the guy. Then we have pieces for trade later down the road. Never hurts to have more than 1 "guy"

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I don't think he ever consistently showed that he can play the PG. He looked terrible at both positions over the course of the season, so to say he looked better at PG is all relative. He had a few games where he played better before he got hurt, but not a big enough sample to determine if it was an improvement in his overall game or a just a few good games. He is a work in progress and is very young, so there is hope. I hope he develops as a top PG because I think Monty is hell bent on using him there. He worries me though because he is not a distributor, tries to make his living on driving to the basket to draw a foul (and does not have the body to do this on a regular basis in the NBA) and is a bad FT shooter.

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Not too worried about his ft shooting. He is a gym rat. That should improve. I'm more worried about him developing his left and jumpshot and not shooting floaters from 18-20 feet.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Not too worried about his ft shooting. He is a gym rat. That should improve. I'm more worried about him developing his left and jumpshot and not shooting floaters from 18-20 feet.

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He is a gym rat. However, he also grew up under an NBA player and coach and had access to many of the best basketball players, trainers and minds. Despite that, his mechanics are terrible. I cannot believe his Dad or coaches never worked with him to fix that funky shooting mechanic he has.

Austin's dad was his dad. Not his coach. That's the way he wanted it to be.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Austin's dad was his dad. Not his coach. That's the way he wanted it to be.

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Any Dad would help his son if he saw something wrong. Do you really believe that a former NBA player and NBA coach would not help his some with simple mechanics? Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Any Dad would help his son if he saw something wrong. Do you really believe that a former NBA player and NBA coach would not help his some with simple mechanics? Not a chance.

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Austin was killing it in high school. Why would Doc mess with that? If it ain't broken......

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Any Dad would help his son if he saw something wrong. Do you really believe that a former NBA player and NBA coach would not help his some with simple mechanics? Not a chance.

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Do you really think anyone of us know that for sure. Nobody can say that because they didn't grow up in the Rivers household. And Doc has stated many times to national media that when he started playing MS/HS ball he let his coaches coach him because he didn't want to put pressure on him to be like him.