New Orleans Pelicans NBA Trade Deadline Rumor Mill

Another neutral trade was getting what'shisname from the Spurs for a week or two.

Congrats to Marcus for finally getting out of there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings--...14611-nba.html

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Give me honest answer. Mcw or Burke + the extra cap space + 2014 1st rd pick or holiday?

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Hindsight is 20/20 and it's really hard to place judgement in a vacuum. But to answer your question if i knew MCW was going to be the phenom that he is (albiet an injury concern) I'd probably take him; But we also need to realize that option pushes back our playoff timetable 2-3 years from what it is now. I love Jrue's game so im not regretful in that decision at all. We also have to take into account that we may have not taken Burke OR MCW. If everyone got the benefit of hindsight, Cavs probably take Dipo or MCW as well.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Lopez is a big miss. If we somehow could have kept him without losing anyone, it would have been huge for this team. Now we are strapped by the cap and looking for someone to fill that void.

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Just to say it. I was one of the only guys on the board not willing to trade Lopez when every other trade not mention Gordon was Lopez. I said back then that he was the perfect compliment to AD and that AD was the power forward of the future not center!

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's really hard to place judgement in a vacuum. But to answer your question if i knew MCW was going to be the phenom that he is (albiet an injury concern) I'd probably take him; But we also need to realize that option pushes back our playoff timetable 2-3 years from what it is now. I love Jrue's game so im not regretful in that decision at all. We also have to take into account that we may have not taken Burke OR MCW. If everyone got the benefit of hindsight, Cavs probably take Dipo or MCW as well.

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I agree with all of what u said but bsh that is how gms are judged man. By 20/20 hindsight. It's how their bosses judge them as well as us.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Congrats to Marcus for finally getting out of there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings--...14611-nba.html

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U mean congrats on the kings of finally getting rid of that chucker? Lol

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Gery Woelfel: Pelicans open to moving guard Austin Rivers; Told Bucks have shown some interest. Twitter @GeryWoelfel

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So bucks want Gordon and Rivers, LET's MAKE IT HAPPEN! I actually like the upside in Rivers and he has played decent this year but if moving him means we get rid of Gordon I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I agree with all of what u said but bsh that is how gms are judged man. By 20/20 hindsight. It's how their bosses judge them as well as us.

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Yeah but the fruit hasn't ripened enough on this deal to judge to be fair. I liked the deal then and i still like the deal today. I don't view this as loss for us. I think we did exactly what we wanted to do, move out timetable up a year or two and honestly it may have been the directive given to him.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's really hard to place judgement in a vacuum. But to answer your question if i knew MCW was going to be the phenom that he is (albiet an injury concern) I'd probably take him; But we also need to realize that option pushes back our playoff timetable 2-3 years from what it is now. I love Jrue's game so im not regretful in that decision at all. We also have to take into account that we may have not taken Burke OR MCW. If everyone got the benefit of hindsight, Cavs probably take Dipo or MCW as well.

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This.

If people knew how MCW or Burke would perform this year, they would have gone higher than they did.

Also, how would that trade look if everyone on the Pels was healthy, especially Holliday. That clouds everything too.

Look at next year. If Holliday and Anderson are healthy, and Gordon is another year removed from his knee problems, AD is a year older and better as is Rivers and maybe you add PJ to the mix if they don't trade him tomorrow and Evans settles into the lineup better than he has this year. If they can find another big to add to the rotation and they can stay healthy, look at that trade then.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Holiday in a landslide, and remember, you gotta include Pierre there. Can't all love him on one thread and ignore him on another.

And I don't wanna hear, "Those guys are rookies and have all this potentiall, blah, blah, blah."

MCW is 22 this year. Jrue was 22 last year. Both on bad Philly teams. One made the All-Star team and played high level defense. Also ,his teams didn't get blown out by 40 every night even after the coach quit on them. MCW's raw numbers are inflated by the fact that the Sixers are 1st in pace in the NBA. He really isn't a good player.

And Burke? Meh. I can find a 37% shooter anywhere.

One of those guys, Gary Harris, and maybe some mid level player or Jrue Holiday and Pierre? Not close IMO.

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Tue. Forgot about pierre. Your discounting mcw tho n that's not fair. He's producing at a high rate. Him being a top guy in steals is no fluke. Him going for a triple double a quite a few nights is no fluke. The kid is good and he's still a rookie. Yea he's 22 but it's about the nba experience not so much the age.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yeah but the fruit hasn't ripened enough on this deal to judge to be fair. I liked the deal then and i still like the deal today. I don't view this as loss for us. I think we did exactly what we wanted to do, move out timetable up a year or two and honestly it may have been the directive given to him.

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Yea I agree for the most part. I don't think it was a bad move but I also don't think it was a great move. Jmo tho.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So bucks want Gordon and Rivers, LET's MAKE IT HAPPEN! I actually like the upside in Rivers and he has played decent this year but if moving him means we get rid of Gordon I'm all for it.

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Where do u see Gordon? Got me all dam excited n ****

Been a Pelicans fan since the days in Charlotte. Demps is not perfect by any means, NO GM GETS EVERYTHING RIGHT. But he has done a far better job of trying to put a competitive team together than any of the other GMs have done. When we had a perfect big 3 in Johnson, Mourning, and Kendall Gill. They trade Gill for Hersey Hawkins. Stupid MOVE!!!! When we had Baron Davis, Eddie Jones, Jamal Mashburn, and PJ Brown we should have won more but didn't. Then what really pissed me off in 08' after watching Janerro Pargo play ball hog in the fourth quarter against the Spurs in game 7 to ruin the best season in franchise history, we had salary cap room, we did not really need to go out and give James Posey a ridiculous contract. They should have kept Tyson Chandler. Yes he had a problem staying healthy but if its not for him the Mavericks don't win their NBA title. Demps actually tries to build a roster from 1 - 12. I think the biggest mistake he has made so far was not trading up in the draft in 2012 to get Lillard.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Where do u see Gordon? Got me all dam excited n ****

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Last week it was all over the place. Then it came out that they definitely weren't interested. Believe which ever side you want because at this point it's all hooplah until tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

Been a Pelicans fan since the days in Charlotte. Demps is not perfect by any means, NO GM GETS EVERYTHING RIGHT. But he has done a far better job of trying to put a competitive team together than any of the other GMs have done. When we had a perfect big 3 in Johnson, Mourning, and Kendall Gill. They trade Gill for Hersey Hawkins. Stupid MOVE!!!! When we had Baron Davis, Eddie Jones, Jamal Mashburn, and PJ Brown we should have won more but didn't. Then what really pissed me off in 08' after watching Janerro Pargo play ball hog in the fourth quarter against the Spurs in game 7 to ruin the best season in franchise history, we had salary cap room, we did not really need to go out and give James Posey a ridiculous contract. They should have kept Tyson Chandler. Yes he had a problem staying healthy but if its not for him the Mavericks don't win their NBA title. Demps actually tries to build a roster from 1 - 12. I think the biggest mistake he has made so far was not trading up in the draft in 2012 to get Lillard.

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Oh lord don't being me to the Jeff bower days lol. Dell is a god compared to that clown.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Last week it was all over the place. Then it came out that they definitely weren't interested. Believe which ever side you want because at this point it's all hooplah until tomorrow.

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Oh I see what your saying. This recent one u posted is only about rivers. Maybe we get ilyasova and flip him for Asik?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Oh I see what your saying. This recent one u posted is only about rivers. Maybe we get ilyasova and flip him for Asik?

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I understand that. This is the first we are hearing about the Bucks potentially having interest in Rivers.

I didn't see enough of the pre-injury Pels to say for sure they were a playoff contender. Team was below .500 when Anderson got hurt and had thrown in some real clunkers, even when at full strength.

To answer the hypothetical, I think I'd rather have Burke (I really didn't have MCW on my radar with 6th pick) + cap room + this years No. 1 + Lopez & Vasquez. In short, I think we should have stayed pat and let this year about Davis growing into a star rather than trying to accelerate the rebuild. I agree it may have pushed our playoff contention back a year or two, but it would give us the flexibility to construct with the right pieces. We'd have tons of assets + cap space at this trade deadline to pick off a top-level SF, for example, or to sign one in the offseason. I may be proven wrong in the next few years, but that would have been my call, just like I wouldn't have matched EG because of not wanting that much cap space devoted to a guy who looked injury prone and didn't want to be here. Can't pay that guy franchise player money, even with all his talent and potential.

My advice to Dell would be only do a deal at this deadline is it solves a specific problem for the team. Don't deal just to deal for another piece that is redundant or doesn't fit. If you can't get a guy at a position of need (SF/C), or execute a salary dump on Gordon, just ride this season out and develop Davis and Jrue (assuming he comes back). You can take another look in the summer.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Basically he took one less shot per 36 minutes and made close to the same amount. Other than that, mostly everything else was similar and that was without the best PG in the world throwing him lobs.

Is he exactly the same player? No. But he played like a 12 million dollar player last year and is not the stiff on offense that some portray him as


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Everything else was similar except for where Tyson had a TS% 10% higher than Asik, and did it for 3 years here instead of only one good year for Asik. And that's Asik playing in one of the fastest offenses in the entire NBA.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So bucks want Gordon and Rivers, LET's MAKE IT HAPPEN! I actually like the upside in Rivers and he has played decent this year but if moving him means we get rid of Gordon I'm all for it.

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I think or Hope the Pelicans have a Rivers for Udoh trade in their back packet. They just want to try to get Asik before they commit to it!

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Originally Posted by TheDawg26

I think or Hope the Pelicans have a Rivers for Udoh trade in their back packet. They just want to try to get Asik before they commit to it!

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Udoh is expiring you know that right? I'ts possible he resigns but we could pretty much end up trading Rivers for nothing. Just want to make sure you understand that and want your take. I mean I'd rather keep him if we are just going to give him away. I don't see where Udoh fits on this team.

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Originally Posted by TheDawg26

I think or Hope the Pelicans have a Rivers for Udoh trade in their back packet. They just want to try to get Asik before they commit to it!

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Hope? Do you think Udoh would be an upgrade?

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Originally Posted by new city champ

I didn't see enough of the pre-injury Pels to say for sure they were a playoff contender. Team was below .500 when Anderson got hurt and had thrown in some real clunkers, even when at full strength.

To answer the hypothetical, I think I'd rather have Burke (I really didn't have MCW on my radar with 6th pick) + cap room + this years No. 1 + Lopez & Vasquez. In short, I think we should have stayed pat and let this year about Davis growing into a star rather than trying to accelerate the rebuild. I agree it may have pushed our playoff contention back a year or two, but it would give us the flexibility to construct with the right pieces. We'd have tons of assets + cap space at this trade deadline to pick off a top-level SF, for example, or to sign one in the offseason. I may be proven wrong in the next few years, but that would have been my call, just like I wouldn't have matched EG because of not wanting that much cap space devoted to a guy who looked injury prone and didn't want to be here. Can't pay that guy franchise player money, even with all his talent and potential.

My advice to Dell would be only do a deal at this deadline is it solves a specific problem for the team. Don't deal just to deal for another piece that is redundant or doesn't fit. If you can't get a guy at a position of need (SF/C), or execute a salary dump on Gordon, just ride this season out and develop Davis and Jrue (assuming he comes back). You can take another look in the summer.

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If Benson tells them to win sooner not later all of that is irrelevant. And honestly, I think Benson 100% told them that.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

We just have to disagree then, jack is not worth a 1st rd pick. The base of the move tho was still a bad one,

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That was the first round pick from our last time in the playoffs (CP3, David West), right? What slot was it? Prob around 20 or so?

You gotta remember that Demps brought in Jack to try to please CP3. That was a problem that he inherited.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Big Pros:

Getting Ryno and Lopez last summer for virtually nothing
Marco for JuJu
Smith and Willie Green for Brackins and Songalia
Jrue Holiday and everybody's darling Pierre Jackson for the 6th pick in a bad draft and 12th or 13th in a solid one
Okafor and Ariza for Rashard Lewis

Big Cons

Matching Gordon
Signing Ariza and Stiemsma over bringing in a legit SF or keeping Lopez

Debatable

Tyreke trade
If he should be blamed for original CP3 trade that got vetoed
Austin Rivers pick (still nobody CLEARLY better taken after him. You could argue Sullinger, but Sullinger's body could fall apart after a few years like Dejuan Blair's did. So not 100% clear. Arguments for Henson, T. Jones, and Lamb too, but again, not 100% clear that Rivers won't be better in 4-5 years or that any of those guys would have been huge difference makers)

That's how I see it, so a solid B in my books.

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Can't bash the Rivers pick. At the time, he went where he should have and like you said, who else should Dell have taken?