Gameday Thread: Warriors @ Hornets

Heart break hotel.

Lost in all this was the fact that Rivers had a great 2nd half, and he did a really good job running the backup point. No coincidence there. Roberts needs to sit for the rest of the season. Rivers showed a lot tonight at the 1.

Roberts has already lost his job.

I loved what I was seeing from him at the point.

So what does Monty do? He slides him to the 2, plays him for 20 seconds along side Vasquez, and proceeds to bench Rivers for the remainder of the game.....

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Loss goes on Monty for sure. Horrible personnel management. Davis having a great game, comes back in with only 5 min left? Gordon doesn't have the ball in his hand down the stretch? Why the hell is Jason Smith in the game at the end when he's having his worst game this season? Same for Vasquez! Guy is having a horrible game! Sit him!!!

Horrible. Monty has a lot of growth he has to do before we become contenders.

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So

8 Points
15 Assists
3 Steals
4 Rebounds
2 Turnovers

is a horrible game to you. He shot poorly tonight, but He has been hitting clutch shots during our winning streak. Where is the *****ing for all the missed Free Throws by Davis and the rest of the team? Vasquez was not why we lost. You would rather us play who at PG that can rack up those stats and contribute to this team. Monty waited maybe 2 or 3 minutes to long to put the starters back in.

Gordon had the ball at the end of the game btw...

People chill out. Look at the positives. We played a good game, but ran into a team on fire shooting.

I'm sick of seeing our backups going against other team's starters for 9 to 10 minutes at a time.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Lost in all this was the fact that Rivers had a great 2nd half, and he did a really good job running the backup point. No coincidence there. Roberts needs to sit for the rest of the season. Rivers showed a lot tonight at the 1.

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rivers played well against golden state last time. don't know what that means, but he def needs to get more minutes next game to see if he does it again

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Originally Posted by GeneralGreivis

vasquez was balling until he sat for 8 mins and got cold in the 4th

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I know he's your favorite player, and I like him too, but you can't honestly tell me he was having a good game... Defense was bad all night, turnovers were untimely, missing open shots, bad decisions in the half-court, etc.... He had an off game. It happens. Still, though, he shouldn't have been in the game at the end. Monty needs to be able to recognize when players are having bad games. That's something I thought he would have picked up from Pop (one of his mentors) who is THE best in the game when it comes to sitting players who are struggling.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

true. just dont like how they attempted 12 more FTs than we did

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Oh, man... I was screaming at the refs all night, but that doesn't change the fact that we should have won this game had we not gone 50% from the stripe. That's unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Same for Vasquez! Guy is having a horrible game! Sit him!!!

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Did you just watch the fourth quarter and ignore the first three?

Btw, he came in about 6 minute left in fourth quarter.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I know he's your favorite player, and I like him too, but you can't honestly tell me he was having a good game... Defense was bad all night, turnovers were untimely, missing open shots, bad decisions in the half-court, etc.... He had an off game. It happens. Still, though, he shouldn't have been in the game at the end. Monty needs to be able to recognize when players are having bad games. That's something I thought he would have picked up from Pop (one of his mentors) who is THE best in the game when it comes to sitting players who are struggling.

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He had 2 turnovers... Do you really think Rivers was better for the PG. He practically shot a 3 pointer off the backboard earlier. You are overreacting.

To put it in perspective.... Rivers had 3 turnovers in half the time Vasquez played... lol Watch out... Rivers will come in a close out this game...

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So

8 Points
15 Assists
3 Steals
4 Rebounds
2 Turnovers

is a horrible game to you. He shot poorly tonight, but He has been hitting clutch shots during our winning streak. Where is the *****ing for all the missed Free Throws by Davis and the rest of the team? Vasquez was not why we lost. You would rather us play who at PG that can rack up those stats and contribute to this team. Monty waited maybe 2 or 3 minutes to long to put the starters back in.

Gordon had the ball at the end of the game btw...

People chill out. Look at the positives. We played a good game, but ran into a team on fire shooting.

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I don't look at stats, so I don't know how to respond to this. I watch the game, not the boxscore. Vasquez was off, and I'm not talking about his shooting.

Gordon had the ball about 50% of the time at the end of the game. The ball should be in his hands every single trip down the floor. He wanted the max because he can close games. Let him do what he does.... what he gets paid to do.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Maybe Monty will learn from this game. You can't let the bench lose the entire lead before the starters come in.

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Thats what has me pissed....he's always talking about going with the hot hand but he sits AD until 5min left? Then those switches at the end where he put in Roger Mason & Smith in for Anderson & Aminu...and as soon as it happend both of them cause fouls sending GS to the FT line. Gordon should have the ball in his hands the last 5-7 min of the game. Vasquez IMO unless its wide open should not be shooting 27ft 3pts when he's 3 for 10 on the night......

and again DAVIS SHOULD NOT BEE SITTING FOR DAMN NEAR THE ENTIRE 4th QTR.

This is why I KEEP stressing that Monty needs a offensive assistant on the bench with him that has major input on rotations. Dude out thinks himself way too much. Sometimes you just need to keep what you have on the floor. As soon as the lead started slipping is exactly the time Davis & the rest of your starters come in plain & simple...its not a hard logic to grasp...especially when playing a good shooting team like GS.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I know he's your favorite player, and I like him too, but you can't honestly tell me he was having a good game... Defense was bad all night, turnovers were untimely, missing open shots, bad decisions in the half-court, etc.... He had an off game. It happens. Still, though, he shouldn't have been in the game at the end. Monty needs to be able to recognize when players are having bad games. That's something I thought he would have picked up from Pop (one of his mentors) who is THE best in the game when it comes to sitting players who are struggling.



Oh, man... I was screaming at the refs all night, but that doesn't change the fact that we should have won this game had we not gone 50% from the stripe. That's unacceptable.

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he had two TO's neither of which led to points. the shots golden state were hitting were tough for anyone to guard. he has been a main reason the hornets are winning now along with gordon and he definitely deserves to be in the end of the game. I honestly don't know what you are talking about or thinking right now

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So

8 Points
15 Assists
3 Steals
4 Rebounds
2 Turnovers

is a horrible game to you. He shot poorly tonight, but He has been hitting clutch shots during our winning streak. Where is the *****ing for all the missed Free Throws by Davis and the rest of the team? Vasquez was not why we lost. You would rather us play who at PG that can rack up those stats and contribute to this team. Monty waited maybe 2 or 3 minutes to long to put the starters back in.

Gordon had the ball at the end of the game btw...

People chill out. Look at the positives. We played a good game, but ran into a team on fire shooting.

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This

Minutes:

Jack - 36
Curry (off a sore ankle) - 38
Thompson - 38
Landry - 38

Davis - 32
Gordon - 31
Vasquez - 34
Anderson - 28

Our winning players should have played winning minutes. Not to mention Lopez only playing 19 against a small, bad defensive team.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I don't look at stats, so I don't know how to respond to this. I watch the game, not the boxscore. Vasquez was off, and I'm not talking about his shooting.

Gordon had the ball about 50% of the time at the end of the game. The ball should be in his hands every single trip down the floor. He wanted the max because he can close games. Let him do what he does.... what he gets paid to do.

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So Vasquez with the Flu can't have an off night before we explode on him for having an off night. I don't remember you yelling for Anderson benching when he was off or when Davis was off? I'm just confused on why you think Vasquez was having a "horrible" game when most teams in the league would love a PG to put up those numbers.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So

8 Points
15 Assists
3 Steals
4 Rebounds
2 Turnovers

is a horrible game to you. He shot poorly tonight, but He has been hitting clutch shots during our winning streak. Where is the *****ing for all the missed Free Throws by Davis and the rest of the team? Vasquez was not why we lost. You would rather us play who at PG that can rack up those stats and contribute to this team. Monty waited maybe 2 or 3 minutes to long to put the starters back in.

Gordon had the ball at the end of the game btw...

People chill out. Look at the positives. We played a good game, but ran into a team on fire shooting.

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Yeah, we did a lot of good, but the game breaker was the rate free throws as a result of the team fouls. The Warriors were in the bonus too early in the 4th and that makes it really hard to play tough D midway in the fourth and it resulted in the Warriors getting easy scores in a tight game. and we are too good of a free throw shooting team to miss all the free throws we did tonite. I think Monty playing Jason Smith at the end is fine as had produced great results, I just disagreed with having him in tonite with Davis playin so well overall.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He had 2 turnovers... Do you really think Rivers was better for the PG. He practically shot a 3 pointer off the backboard earlier. You are overreacting.

To put it in perspective.... Rivers had 3 turnovers in half the time Vasquez played... lol Watch out... Rivers will come in a close out this game...

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Rivers is a 20 year old rookie. Vasquez is 26. He shouldn't be turning the ball over in clutch situations. That's something he really needs to work on.

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Originally Posted by jacklvyn

Did you just watch the fourth quarter and ignore the first three?

Btw, he came in about 6 minute left in fourth quarter.

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I watched the whole game, and Vasquez was off. You see big assist numbers, and I think the assist is an incomplete statistic. I don't care about assists. His penetration was horrible, he wasn't hitting his floater that he usually does, he had 2 big TOs, and he played NO defense.

Again, I'm a Vasquez fan, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical of him when he has a bad game. I'm not going to "hate" on Vasquez because of one game. It is what it is. I've said what I needed to say, so we can just agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Minutes:

Jack - 36
Curry (off a sore ankle) - 38
Thompson - 38
Landry - 38

Davis - 32
Gordon - 31
Vasquez - 34
Anderson - 28

Our winning players should have played winning minutes. Not tomention Lopezonly playing 19 against a small, bad defensive team.

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vasquez plays 36 a night most of the time and played 41 against boston with the flu. davis is slowly getting the mintues he should lol. monty kept the reserves in so long that they let the momentum and comeback they had get away.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Rivers is a 20 year old rookie. Vasquez is 26. He shouldn't be turning the ball over in clutch situations. That's something he really needs to work on.

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Are you judging vasquez off of this game only this season. The man has been clutch on most of our games during this winning streaks... You can't have an off night, I guess.

Whether or not he had a good game, he is a better option than Rivers down the stretch. Plain and simple.

And Vasquez being off is hardly why we lost this game.

Not sure why this is such a big topic right now.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Rivers is a 20 year old rookie. Vasquez is 26. He shouldn't be turning the ball over in clutch situations. That's something he really needs to work on.


I watched the whole game, and Vasquez was off. You see big assist numbers, and I think the assist is an incomplete statistic. I don't care about assists. His penetration was horrible, he wasn't hitting his floater that he usually does, he had 2 big TOs, and he played NO defense.

Again, I'm a Vasquez fan, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical of him when he has a bad game. I'm not going to "hate" on Vasquez because of one game. It is what it is. I've said what I needed to say, so we can just agree to disagree.

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you just sound really angry. maybe you've been spoiled by the success

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Originally Posted by jinishima

Yeah, we did a lot of good, but the game breaker was the rate free throws as a result of the team fouls. The Warriors were in the bonus too early in the 4th and that makes it really hard to play tough D midway in the fourth and it resulted in the Warriors getting easy scores in a tight game. and we are too good of a free throw shooting team to miss all the free throws we did tonite. I think Monty playing Jason Smith at the end is fine as had produced great results, I just disagreed with having him in tonite with Davis playin so well overall.

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I agree, but I was replying to a post that was saying Vasquez was horrible. The Free throw % was the reason we lost not Monty or Vasquez.

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Originally Posted by GeneralGreivis

you just sound really angry. maybe you've been spoiled by the success

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DING DING DING

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

Whether or not he had a good game, he is a better option than Rivers down the stretch. Plain and simple.

And Vasquez being off is hardly why we lost this game.

Not sure why this is such a big topic right now.

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lol gotta talk/argue about something after a loss right :hihi:

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Originally Posted by GeneralGreivis

he had two TO's neither of which led to points. the shots golden state were hitting were tough for anyone to guard. he has been a main reason the hornets are winning now along with gordon and he definitely deserves to be in the end of the game. I honestly don't know what you are talking about or thinking right now

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I think you are misunderstanding me. Just because I'm saying Vasquez had a bad game doesn't mean he shouldn't finish games going forward. I'm saying that Monty needs to recognize when certain players aren't playing well, and he needs to play the guys that are hot. Anderson was playing great, but he only got 28 minutes... That is unacceptable! Gordon, far and away our best player, only got 31 minutes! That isn't okay. Monty needs to grow as a game-manager (something he has never been very good at, but he has made some improvements since his rookie year). My point is that Vasquez was stinking it up in the 4th quarter, and he practically gave the game away between his bad decisions and bad shooting.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Rivers is a 20 year old rookie. Vasquez is 26. He shouldn't be turning the ball over in clutch situations. That's something he really needs to work on.

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Rivers is alot more likely to turn it over in a clutch situation than Vasquez, You dont put Rivers in and say hey its ok if he messes up and we lose since he's 20.

What's with the blame game? We had our chances. Both Gordon and Vasquez had their opportunities. Turnovers down the stretch by both of our key players at the end of the game killed us. We lost this game as a team.

I think our poor Free Throw shooting gave the game away. Not Monty or Vasquez. Take a chill pill. You sound angry. lol

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I agree, but I was replying to a post that was saying Vasquez was horrible. The Free throw % was the reason we lost not Monty or Vasquez.

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I agree, I was just elaborating on your point.

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Originally Posted by AD23

Rivers is alot more likely to turn it over in a clutch situation than Vasquez

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I don't think he was disputing that in hi post tho....just saying because he is less likely to...its crazy that he was so sloppy with the ball in that situation. Same goes for Gordon with the bad TO at the end as well...

vazquez did have the flu

I knew we would lose as soon as the Warriors passed the 100 mark. The Hornets rarely, rarely, rarely win when they give up 100+

ETA: well I didn't know, but I knew it was a really good chance.

Man... The Vasquez lovers on this forum are intolerable. If I say he had one bad game (didn't even put the loss on him, I actually put the loss on Monty), you guys jump down my throat.

I never said bench Vasquez for the rest of the season. I never said replace him with Rivers (actually, I would have replaced him with Aminu, who was having a good game). I never said he shouldn't be a closer anymore. I never said I jumped off the Vasquez bandwagon. I never said he isn't a leader. I don't get why you guys are freaking out. If a player has a bad game, I'm going to talk about it. Just deal with it.

Anyway, I can see this is fruitless. I'll bow out, but Vasquez still had a bad game no matter how many Vasquez-lovers run to his aid.

Night folks!

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think you are misunderstanding me. Just because I'm saying Vasquez had a bad game doesn't mean he shouldn't finish games going forward. I'm saying that Monty needs to recognize when certain players aren't playing well, and he needs to play the guys that are hot. Anderson was playing great, but he only got 28 minutes... That is unacceptable! Gordon, far and away our best player, only got 31 minutes! That isn't okay. Monty needs to grow as a game-manager (something he has never been very good at, but he has made some improvements since his rookie year). My point is that Vasquez was stinking it up in the 4th quarter, and he practically gave the game away between his bad decisions and bad shooting.

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I understand you more than you know. I just disagree that Vasquez had a horrible or even bad game. He left in the third quarter playing very well. He wasn't going to come back with 5 mins left in the 4th, foul, miss two threes and sit down. Gordon wasn't productive in the clutch either that's why GV was taking the threes even though he wasn't feeling it.

Originally Posted by luckyman

Minutes:

Jack - 36
Curry (off a sore ankle) - 38
Thompson - 38
Landry - 38

Davis - 32
Gordon - 31
Vasquez - 34
Anderson - 28

Our winning players should have played winning minutes. Not tomention Lopezonly playing 19 against a small, bad defensive team.

Yea, especially with a young team like ours and having 2 DAYS off against a back-to-back for GS.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Man... The Vasquez lovers on this forum are intolerable. If I say he had one bad game (didn't even put the loss on him, I actually put the loss on Monty), you guys jump down my throat.

I never said bench Vasquez for the rest of the season. I never said replace him with Rivers (actually, I would have replaced him with Aminu, who was having a good game). I never said he shouldn't be a closer anymore. I never said I jumped off the Vasquez bandwagon. I never said he isn't a leader. I don't get why you guys are freaking out. If a player has a bad game, I'm going to talk about it. Just deal with it.

Anyway, I can see this is fruitless. I'll bow out, but Vasquez still had a bad game no matter how many Vasquez-lovers run to his aid.

Night folks!

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I'm not blaming Monty either... I blame the team for the Free Throws. That's what you fail to read in my posts... lol Goodnight. Hopefully the anger from this loss subsides.

Fact is there are many factors that come into play in this loss. Rotations, Missed FTs, bad TOs in key situations, bad fouls, bad shots....all had to do with it.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Man... The Vasquez lovers on this forum are intolerable. If I say he had one bad game (didn't even put the loss on him, I actually put the loss on Monty), you guys jump down my throat.

I never said bench Vasquez for the rest of the season. I never said replace him with Rivers (actually, I would have replaced him with Aminu, who was having a good game). I never said he shouldn't be a closer anymore. I never said I jumped off the Vasquez bandwagon. I never said he isn't a leader. I don't get why you guys are freaking out. If a player has a bad game, I'm going to talk about it. Just deal with it.

Anyway, I can see this is fruitless. I'll bow out, but Vasquez still had a bad game no matter how many Vasquez-lovers run to his aid.

Night folks!

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Originally Posted by Miss_318

Fact is there are many factors that come into play in this loss. Rotations, Missed FTs, bad TOs in key situations, bad fouls, bad shots....all had to do with it.

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I blame davis for celebrating too much on the bench

You can add bad coaching on defense that didnt get fixed until the game was damn near over. You DO NOT need to leave their shooters to help Davis (or any Hornets big against GS) in the post. GS ate them up all night from that poor defensive strategy.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

You can add bad coaching on defense that didnt get fixed until the game was damn near over. You DO NOT need to leave their shooters to help Davis (or any Hornets big against GS) in the post. GS ate them up all night from that poor defensive strategy.

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That's some annoying Byron Scott vs the Spurs crap.

Jim Eichenhofer ‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty on disappointment of close loss: "It's unfortunate because we had a big crowd tonight and a lot to play for, but we didn't step up."

24m Jim Eichenhofer ‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty Williams on porous defense played by Hornets in a high-scoring 116-112 game: "I think we lost our identity tonight."

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Jim Eichenhofer ‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty on disappointment of close loss: "It's unfortunate because we had a big crowd tonight and a lot to play for, but we didn't step up."

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Are we really trying to make them there playoffs?

Postgame: Warriors @ Hornets

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Just got home...we shoulda woulda coulda won this game.. Make our free throws we win..

13/23 on free throws
9/24 from 3

tells most of the story right there.

NBA.com: "Hornets shoot 57 percent ... and lose to G.S.". :hihi:

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

NBA.com: "Hornets shoot 57 percent ... and lose to G.S.". :hihi:

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GS 30/35 free throws AND Klay Thompson is waaaaayyy better then i thought. Kid is something else.

just hurts that we didn't get looks up between austin turning it over, gordon turning it over & then the illegal screen

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Originally Posted by CP3nDX30

just hurts that we didn't get looks up between austin turning it over, gordon turning it over & then the illegal screen

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The (from where i was sitting didnt see replay) BS moving screen on smith killed it. I stayed to the end but yea.... that foul you felt the energy leave the building.