Pelicans underwhelmed by Lakers' initial offers for Anthony Davis

His deal actually has a bit of value as an expiring next year incase we did want to make a move.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

His deal actually has a bit of value as an expiring next year incase we did want to make a move.

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Cmon, Myth, dont get lazy on me. I said NOT ideal, but not fatal.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Cmon, Myth, dont get lazy on me. I said NOT ideal, but not fatal.

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I wasn't really responding to your post as much as thinking it through myself that's why I didn't quote you.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I wasn't really responding to your post as much as thinking it through myself that's why I didn't quote you.

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Do you think we can land a All-Star caliber player 20-22 mill, along with Boston or Knick haul?

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Do you think we can land a All-Star caliber player 20-22 mill, along with Boston or Knick haul?

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well if dell is gone.....come on down boogie [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Do you think we can land a All-Star caliber player 20-22 mill, along with Boston or Knick haul?

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I'm not sure what this question is asking. Do you mean od I think we can sign an All Star this summer for 20-22 million to pair with our haul? No. We'd have to overpay.

If you're asking do I think we can trade for an ALL Star using our Boston haul, yeah probably, but I doubt we do anything like that this summer.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: “We want to be in LA. But if he’s traded, I don’t want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.”

— Ohm Youngmisuk (@NotoriousOHM) February 4, 2019

I hate Lavar Ball so much. I wish I could speak him out of existence.

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Not wishing any harm on anyone, of course, but the fact that some people make it to middle age without having all of their teeth knocked out is just baffling.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Not wishing any harm on anyone, of course, but the fact that some people make it to middle age without having all of their teeth knocked out is just baffling.

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I love LaVar ball for doing this. He is absolutely tanking Magic's "top" trade asset. Magic gotta be so pissed right now.

Don't want Ball or his dad anywhere near this team but let him keep killing the Lakers trade capital.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I love LaVar ball for doing this. He is absolutely tanking Magic's "top" trade asset. Magic gotta be so pissed right now.

Don't want Ball or his dad anywhere near this team but let him keep killing the Lakers trade capital.

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Oh sure, from our perspective it's helpful, but he really is just an intolerable person.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I love LaVar ball for doing this. He is absolutely tanking Magic's "top" trade asset. Magic gotta be so pissed right now.

Don't want Ball or his dad anywhere near this team but let him keep killing the Lakers trade capital.

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I'm sure this is no different from AD's dad "tanking" Davis' value with Ainge.

If the Pelicans want Ball, they're not going to care what LaVar says, and they will have confidence that the role they have for him - as the starting PG next to Jrue - will appeal to him in the long run.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm sure this is no different from AD's dad "tanking" Davis' value with Ainge.

If the Pelicans want Ball, they're not going to care what LaVar says, and they will have confidence that the role they have for him - as the starting PG next to Jrue - will appeal to him in the long run.

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But, I have no reason to believe that the Pelicans want Ball. We know the Celtics want AD.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm sure this is no different from AD's dad "tanking" Davis' value with Ainge.

If the Pelicans want Ball, they're not going to care what LaVar says, and they will have confidence that the role they have for him - as the starting PG next to Jrue - will appeal to him in the long run.

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I agree with that to some extent, especially because Lonzo is signed for a while whereas AD is obviously ust a one year deal, but on the other hand we are sellers of talent. LA are buyers of talent.

People are willing to take fliers on AD because he is a generational talent, and so is worth the risk. People are less willing to take on potential hassle for Lonzo Ball and his broken jumpshot.

This board is going to be apoplectic if/when the Pels send AD to the Lakers, because folks have 1.) convinced themselves the Lakers offer is trash 2.) bought into the twitterverse' views that AD won't be traded to the Lakers before the deadline.

Personally, I think the the Lakers offer isn't the best, but it's far from trash. And I put the odds of him being traded before Thursday at a toss up. Unless we know 100% what BOS/NYK are telling the Pels and offering, we can't begin to know for sure that the Lakers offer isn't superior. Our best case NYK/BOS offers are just fan speculation at this point. If the Knicks aren't willing to trade all 4 picks unprotected, they aren't really in the convo. I've heard a lot of podcast suggest the Knicks offer the pick "Top 1 protected". We're also not sure how specific Ainge has been. Maybe he's said Brown and the premium picks, or Tatum and NO PICKS. We actually don't know. That's why I put it at a toss up. The idea that BOS/NYK could offer the moon, could be Pels spin to drive up the Lakers price. Once they squeeze the Lakers, they might do the deal.

Please everybody be OK if they trade him to the Lakers. I feel like yall aren't properly prepared for that possibility! And I know for sure yall will trash Dell/Loomis/ownership, even though you'll have no idea what the negotiations were like with other teams.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm sure this is no different from AD's dad "tanking" Davis' value with Ainge.

If the Pelicans want Ball, they're not going to care what LaVar says, and they will have confidence that the role they have for him - as the starting PG next to Jrue - will appeal to him in the long run.

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Oh sure if the Pels want Ball. The difference is the Pels are Sellers instead of Buyers. The Lakers are trying to buy AD but their top asset doesn't want to go to the Pelicans. That hurts their trade and gives Pelicans more leverage to say, "He doesn't even want to be here. What value is he to us?"

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

But, I have no reason to believe that the Pelicans want Ball. We know the Celtics want AD.

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There was literally a report a few days ago that said the Pelicans were excited about the prospect of featuring Lonzo at PG next to Jrue. Everyone took it as Pels trying to drive up offers from BOS/NYK, but maybe they actually do think Lonzo would thrive at PG next to Jrue. I know I think he would.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

This board is going to be apoplectic if/when the Pels send AD to the Lakers, because folks have 1.) convinced themselves the Lakers offer is trash 2.) bought into the twitterverse' views that AD won't be traded to the Lakers before the deadline.

Personally, I think the the Lakers offer isn't the best, but it's far from trash. And I put the odds of him being traded before Thursday at a toss up. Unless we know 100% what BOS/NYK are telling the Pels and offering, we can't begin to know for sure that the Lakers offer isn't superior. Our best case NYK/BOS offers are just fan speculation at this point. If the Knicks aren't willing to trade all 4 picks unprotected, they aren't really in the convo. I've heard a lot of podcast suggest the Knicks offer the pick "Top 1 protected". We're also not sure how specific Ainge has been. Maybe he's said Brown and the premium picks, or Tatum and NO PICKS. We actually don't know. That's why I put it at a toss up. The idea that BOS/NYK could offer the moon, could be Pels spin to drive up the Lakers price. Once they squeeze the Lakers, they might do the deal.

Please everybody be OK if they trade him to the Lakers. I feel like yall aren't properly prepared for that possibility! And I know for sure yall will trash Dell/Loomis/ownership, even though you'll have no idea what the negotiations were like with other teams.

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If there was one player in the Lakers offer that I could point to as a future star, I may be able to come to grips with a Laker trade. However, given that we would significantly strengthen a WC team and the players are closer to rotational players than future stars, I cannot see any way that I could get behind that trade.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If there was one player in the Lakers offer that I could point to as a future star, I may be able to come to grips with a Laker trade. However, given that we would significantly strengthen a WC team and the players are closer to rotational players than future stars, I cannot see any way that I could get behind that trade.

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Basically. If Ingram had showed significant progress in his three years, or if Kuzma was a two way player, I'd be much more open to it. Instead it just seems like, if we took the Lakers trade, we'd be taking all their bad decisions off their hands and gifting them AD in return for their incompetence.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

There was literally a report a few days ago that said the Pelicans were excited about the prospect of featuring Lonzo at PG next to Jrue. Everyone took it as Pels trying to drive up offers from BOS/NYK, but maybe they actually do think Lonzo would thrive at PG next to Jrue. I know I think he would.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Basically. If Ingram had showed significant progress in his three years, or if Kuzma was a two way player, I'd be much more open to it. Instead it just seems like, if we took the Lakers trade, we'd be taking all their bad decisions off their hands and gifting them AD in return for their incompetence.

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they should of drafted Tatum

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Oh sure if the Pels want Ball. The difference is the Pels are Sellers instead of Buyers. The Lakers are trying to buy AD but their top asset doesn't want to go to the Pelicans. That hurts their trade and gives Pelicans more leverage to say, "He doesn't even want to be here. What value is he to us?"

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Ingram is probably their top asset.

This is literally the same leverage Ainge has over the Pelicans. He can say to Dell "We're not sure AD will resign, therefor we can't give you EVERYTHING"

There has to be a difference between AD's value if he said he would resign in BOS versus AD's value with his camp saying he won't. At the very least, Ainge would attempt to hold back some assets. Hell, the Celtics, Kyrie, and AD's camp could be colluding to push the narrative that AD might not sign specifically to lower the value -- even if it's just allowing them to hold onto Jaylen, the Memphis pick, or Clippers pick!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If there was one player in the Lakers offer that I could point to as a future star, I may be able to come to grips with a Laker trade. However, given that we would significantly strengthen a WC team and the players are closer to rotational players than future stars, I cannot see any way that I could get behind that trade.

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I mean, obviously this comes down to player evaluation. And obviously we differ in terms of Ingram and Ball's ability to still reach the level people expected of them when they were drafted.

But that's not even my larger point. My point is that unless you know what is being discussed with other teams, it's not fair to assume the best offers we've imaged were actually offered and the Pels just chose to make the Lakers deal. It's possible Tatum is not on the table. It's possible the NYK pick completely unprotected is not on the table. Other teams may not be offering anything better than the Lakers for what they perceive as a rental.

At the end of this, if you're predisposed to not trust Pels management, you'll probably be apoplectic about however this turns out because the stakes are so high and you'll assume the worst and think something better was out there if only they'd someone done something differently.

I think A MASSIVE trade is going to happen. I think it will be a three team trade. Niko and Hill could be involved. I have no sources.


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I think A MASSIVE trade is going to happen. I think it will be a three team trade. Niko and Hill could be involved. I have no sources.


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Well, you have just as many sources as everyone else. So, have at it!

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I mean, obviously this comes down to player evaluation. And obviously we differ in terms of Ingram and Ball's ability to still reach the level people expected of them when they were drafted.

But that's not even my larger point. My point is that unless you know what is being discussed with other teams, it's not fair to assume the best offers we've imaged were actually offered and the Pels just chose to make the Lakers deal. It's possible Tatum is not on the table. It's possible the NYK pick completely unprotected is not on the table. Other teams may not be offering anything better than the Lakers for what they perceive as a rental.

At the end of this, if you're predisposed to not trust Pels management, you'll probably be apoplectic about however this turns out because the stakes are so high and you'll assume the worst and think something better was out there if only they'd someone done something differently.

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Not really. For me, the issue isn't necessarily which deal to take, because although on paper NY and Boston have much better assets, you're right in that maybe they wouldn't offer them all. I think they would, but maybe they don't: that's always possible, and we won't know until after whichever trade is done, is done, and then all the failed trades get leaked (as always happens).

My issue is how the deal is done. Trading to LA before the deadline would be a sign that the management caved. There is literally no good reason to trade before the deadline. Any LA offer will still be available come June. The only possible reason to trade before the deadline is if you are scared that the trade market for a 25 year old perennial MVP candidate is going to dry up, and if you're scared of that possibility then I don't want you involved in my NBA franchise because you're always going to cave and you can't hold your head up and have some confidence in yourself as an executive.

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