Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I wouldn't worry about AD resigning, idk if any player has ever turned down a 5 year max contract, regardless of who he plays for.

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We have a team option in 15/16 and then he's restricted in 16/17... so he's not going anywhere for quite a while.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Everyone thought Jrue was untouchable, but we got him.

I still wonder if there is a chance we could do a sign and trade for parsons or gordon hayward, like ryno and a 1st, you never know, then sign blatche.

tyreke
jrue
parsons/hayward
ad
blatche

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Dell's proven he's good at prying away RFA's in sign and trades. I could see something like this happening.

I think SF is more important than C for this team. We need a SF that has great shooting and we need to improve our 3 point shooting this year. My number 1 guy would be to get Gordon Hayward. He's perfect for our team.


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Before you criticize what I'm bout to suggest, click the link and read below:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celti...espnapi_public

If Dell loves Vonleh, sees him on par with Embiid, Wiggins, and Parker, and views him as the perfect fit next to AD...

If Vonleh is available at 6, would the Pelicans trade Ryno/Rivers for 6/Wallace? Would the Celtics do that?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Before you criticize what I'm bout to suggest, click the link and read below:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celti...espnapi_public

If Dell loves Vonleh, sees him on par with Embiid, Wiggins, and Parker, and views him as the perfect fit next to AD...

If Vonleh is available at 6, would the Pelicans trade Ryno/Rivers for 6/Wallace? Would the Celtics do that?

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Think Ryno's a bad fit for them.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

We have a team option in 15/16 and then he's restricted in 16/17... so he's not going anywhere for quite a while.

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Agreed, and when he is restricted we are the only team who can offer the 5 year max, other teams can only offer 4, but even if for some some out of this world reason he did sign another teams offer sheet we would match. he will be here for another 7 years. :)

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Before you criticize what I'm bout to suggest, click the link and read below:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celti...espnapi_public

If Dell loves Vonleh, sees him on par with Embiid, Wiggins, and Parker, and views him as the perfect fit next to AD...

If Vonleh is available at 6, would the Pelicans trade Ryno/Rivers for 6/Wallace? Would the Celtics do that?

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IDK if i would even do that if they said yes. Wallace is terrible. You would have a combined 25 million tied up in eric gordon and gerald wallace. IS Vonleh, a player who could bust like any, worth that? IDK.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

Dell's proven he's good at prying away RFA's in sign and trades. I could see something like this happening.

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I can hope, but we don't have the salary to make it happen, unless dell could trade gordon for an expiring, which won't happen. We would have to trade ryno for an expiring to free up salary. But if it meant getting parsons or hayward, I would do it, I think either of those 2 guys would be more beneficial to this team than ryno. Then u get a cheap center like blatche to bang down low and let AD stay at his natural PF position.

ya know let's say we simply wanted to get in the draft for a role player or a prospect at a needed position

example: many people have mentioned Patrick Young. I agreed he could be a miscast bruiser but I doubt it and it's a gamble

one player that wouldn't be a gamble in my opinion is Jerell Stokes. Most years he would be in the late first like Dejuan Blair was.

but this guy is kinda like Blair but better IMO he is the second rated center in the draft in regards to efficiency.

2nd best in assists
3rd in FT attempts
1st in offensive rebounds
3rd in points per 40

6'8" 265 lbs, he would undoubtedly played minutes at C with last year's squa(7'2" reach).
and he's a 2nd rounder


stats from:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...ter-Crop-4611/

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I can hope, but we don't have the salary to make it happen, unless dell could trade gordon for an expiring, which won't happen. We would have to trade ryno for an expiring to free up salary. But if it meant getting parsons or hayward, I would do it, I think either of those 2 guys would be more beneficial to this team than ryno. Then u get a cheap center like blatche to bang down low and let AD stay at his natural PF position.

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I don't think that's the case. I think we have around 6 million in cap space floating around, maybe 7 with Morrow Opting out. Ryno makes a little over 8 million, so in a sign and trade for around 14 million, we'd theoretically have the cap space to do it? What am I missing?

Also, If they took rivers with them for some nominal asset it would clear another 2.3 mil. Then, once you're over the cap, you can use the MLE on someone. I could be wrong here.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

I don't think that's the case. I think we have around 6 million in cap space floating around, maybe 7 with Morrow Opting out. Ryno makes a little over 8 million, so in a sign and trade for around 14 million, we'd theoretically have the cap space to do it? What am I missing?

Also, If they took rivers with them for some nominal asset it would clear another 2.3 mil. Then, once you're over the cap, you can use the MLE on someone. I could be wrong here.

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Oh ya totally, kid you trade ryno u free up 8 million, that is what I was saying that we would have to do. Thats why i wanted to trade ryno for hayward and use MLE on blatche.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Everyone thought Jrue was untouchable, but we got him.

I still wonder if there is a chance we could do a sign and trade for parsons or gordon hayward, like ryno and a 1st, you never know, then sign blatche.

tyreke
jrue
parsons/hayward
ad
blatche

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That's actually my team in my 2k association ( with Parsons at the three) . Fun team to play with.


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

That's actually my team in my 2k association ( with Parsons at the three) . Fun team to play with.


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ha i might have to try that! I would love it in real life as well.

You run tyreke at pg and jrue at sg?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ha i might have to try that! I would love it in real life as well.

You run tyreke at pg and jrue at sg?

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I had tyreke in my 2k13 association last year before we signed him, so maybe these moves will come to life also haha.

Nah i run reke at the 2. I might try switching him to PG though.


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Man, is it a sport to trade ryno for anything, from crap to love? Trade him for this! Trade him for that! Jeez.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I had tyreke in my 2k13 association last year before we signed him, so maybe these moves will come to life also haha.

Nah i run reke at the 2. I might try switching him to PG though.


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I run tyreke at the 1 and jrue at the 2 when i play online, this way if i drive and get stopped i can swing it out to jrue for 3, if it's jrue and i drive and get stopped if tyreke isn't cutting to the basket he doesn't offer too much from 3. Try it out. For defensive match ups u can still make jrue guard the opponents PG. I just put him on which ever player is better. For example when i play the clippers i put jrue on cpm, when i play the rockets i put him on harden.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I run tyreke at the 1 and jrue at the 2 when i play online, this way if i drive and get stopped i can swing it out to jrue for 3, if it's jrue and i drive and get stopped if tyreke isn't cutting to the basket he doesn't offer too much from 3. Try it out. For defensive match ups u can still make jrue guard the opponents PG. I just put him on which ever player is better. For example when i play the clippers i put jrue on cpm, when i play the rockets i put him on harden.

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That happens to me all the time so it makes sense. I did send Tyreke to shooting camp in the offseason, so he's a little better at the three now but i'll still try it out. Thanks.


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I saw one possibility were the Pelicans could have this lineup:

Jrue Hoilday
Tyreke Evans
Dario Saric
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe

Only guy you can't move is Davis, he is your franchise player. You don't want to move Jrue either because he is a top 10 pg on an amazing contract. That said, if the deal comes down where you can get a top 3 pick in a trade that includes a combo of Jrue/Gordon/Ryno/Rivers/anyone not named Anthony Davis, and you believe this new guy will be a top 3-15 player in the league, do it.

http://m.wdsu.com/news/offside-blog-...icans/26152242

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I think you think this is true. About Dell's philosophy. But we really have no evidence that this is always true.

Think about it this way, we know for a fact that Dell will trade a draft choice for a young vet if there isn't a rookie he really like and believes in. We don't know what Dell will do of there is a rookie he really likes that he thinks is an ideal long term roster fit.

Last years draft was historically bad. We can't use the Jrue trade as evidence and say that's what Dell's philosophy always is.

If Dell was in a position to draft Wiggins, Embiid, or Parker and put them next to Davis, we'd expect him to draft a rookie. Maybe there is a player, Vonleh perhaps, that Dell really, really likes.

Like I said, we have no evidence that Dell is anti-rookie. Only the single sample of the Jrue trade

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It has nothing to do with being anti-rookie. It has more to do with the established timeline that both he and Monty have said this team is on. People love rookies, but maybe one or two play winning basketball their first year. And maybe one or two more the year after that. A guy like Vonleh will be, at best a 20 mpg guy his first year and will struggle mightily at times. Embiid may not play.

The objective is clearly playoffs next year, so if Dell (and Monty) sign off on trading a core piece for a guy who will give them much less next season, it would truly shock me, and I dont get shocked by much.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Oh ya totally, kid you trade ryno u free up 8 million, that is what I was saying that we would have to do. Thats why i wanted to trade ryno for hayward and use MLE on blatche.

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I know I've told you this before, I'm certain others have as well. . .but here I am again saying it.

You cannot use cap space and the MLE.

On a side note: this thread makes me sad with the suggested trades.

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Originally Posted by smcgull

I saw one possibility were the Pelicans could have this lineup:

Jrue Hoilday
Tyreke Evans
Dario Saric
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe

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I wonder if bulls would give up both 1st rounders if someone took boozer off their hands or would that be too much. I could live with boozer playing center for a year if we could trade Gordon and a first rounder to someone. Maybe even add a protected future with it. Keep the one pick this year for a SF.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It has nothing to do with being anti-rookie. It has more to do with the established timeline that both he and Monty have said this team is on. People love rookies, but maybe one or two play winning basketball their first year. And maybe one or two more the year after that. A guy like Vonleh will be, at best a 20 mpg guy his first year and will struggle mightily at times. Embiid may not play.

The objective is clearly playoffs next year, so if Dell (and Monty) sign off on trading a core piece for a guy who will give them much less next season, it would truly shock me, and I dont get shocked by much.

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Isn't it reasonable though to say that next year isn't what this tram's ultimate goals are about?

If Dell can pull off something that gets him a critical piece of our core during our "championship" years, it's worth it. Maybe he thinks he can move Ryno or Tyreke and replace 85% of their production next year with other off season roster moves. In that case you go get your future, and don't sacrifice that because you think you can compete for an 8th seed next season.

Whether we're a playoff contender or not in 14, will be IMO entirely determined by the progression of Davis and Holiday, how good our bench is, and how well we play defense.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Isn't it reasonable though to say that next year isn't what this tram's ultimate goals are about?

If Dell can pull off something that gets him a critical piece of our core during our "championship" years, it's worth it. Maybe he thinks he can move Ryno or Tyreke and replace 85% of their production next year with other off season roster moves. In that case you go get your future, and don't sacrifice that because you think you can compete for an 8th seed next season.

Whether we're a playoff contender or not in 14, will be IMO entirely determined by the progression of Davis and Holiday, how good our bench is, and how well we play defense.

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This might be a reasonable objective philosophy to have. It is not Dell and Monty's philosophy, though. So we can all ponder about what we would do, but I personally find it more productive to try to think about what Dell will do. Dell will not take a step back for the next 2-3 years even if it might mean taking two steps forward in years 4-6. He just won't IMO