Truncated Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

We badly need another sf.. BI is our only legit sf on the team

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BI is on the team? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Free agent guard DJ Augustin has agreed to a three-year, $21M deal with Milwaukee, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

Bucks have essentially turned Wes Matthews, Eric Bledsoe, and George Hill into DJ Augustin, Bobby Portis, and Jrue Holiday.

I love Jrue, we all know that, and I think he's an upgrade on Bledsoe, but Portis is a huge downgrade from Matthews and Augustine is a slight step fown from Hill.

Then they missed hard on Bogdan. And Robin Lopez left.

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mutha ********ing ********knuckles

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Free agent guard DJ Augustin has agreed to a three-year, $21M deal with Milwaukee, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

Bucks have essentially turned Wes Matthews, Eric Bledsoe, and George Hill into DJ Augustin, Bobby Portis, and Jrue Holiday.

I love Jrue, we all know that, and I think he's an upgrade on Bledsoe, but Portis is a huge downgrade from Matthews and Augustine is a slight step fown from Hill.

Then they missed hard on Bogdan. And Robin Lopez left.

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Giannis to New Orleans confirmed?

Bucks are honestly in a pretty rough position right now. The Bogdan trade falling through is a huge issue for them.

See how ********ing hard it is to attract free agents here?

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Originally Posted by AusPel

See how ********ing hard it is to attract free agents here?

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I think that will get better with time as we are a more sustained winner. It is not the location or city etc. as you can just look next door to the Saints and see they have no issues with that. The Saints are successful cause they have their act together. So one can easily assume the same can happen for the Pels in due time.

Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors, agent Brian Jungreis of @ParLay_SE told @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.


FVV hustled

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Originally Posted by AusPel

See how ********ing hard it is to attract free agents here?

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Big name FA?s? Yes. Almost impossible. If we reached sustained success as another poster just said, we will get good offers for the ring chasers. That is why we will likely get the big name via trade.

Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors, agent Brian Jungreis of @ParLay_SE told @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 21, 2020

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Big name FA?s? Yes. Almost impossible. If we reached sustained success as another poster just said, we will get good offers for the ring chasers. That is why we will likely get the big name via trade.

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any FA you like

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Originally Posted by AusPel

any FA you like

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Right now? I agree with the shouts that we should go for Crowder as a backup on the MLE. Other than that, I?m not really seeing anyone I want to bring in at this point in time

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Right now? I agree with the shouts that we should go for Crowder as a backup on the MLE. Other than that, I?m not really seeing anyone I want to bring in at this point in time

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Moe Harkless was less than 4 mil, would have been superb

Could have got Kris Dunn for the BAE

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

I think that will get better with time as we are a more sustained winner. It is not the location or city etc. as you can just look next door to the Saints and see they have no issues with that. The Saints are successful cause they have their act together. So one can easily assume the same can happen for the Pels in due time.

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Didnt this team just sign JJ Redick? One of the most highly regarded free agents in the league?

The goal is to not attract middling non-all star FAs looking for 3/4 year deals. Which is 95% of this free agent class.

The main "free agent" this team needs to sign in BI.

I think that something you have to consider is player choice.

Sure you can beat yourself up thinking ''oh but we could have had Moe Harkless for $4m...''

But could we? I'm sure the front office didn't just forget that he exists. Maybe he's willing to go play for Miami - a championship contender coming off a finals run - for $3.6m, but wouldn't come to the Pelicans for so little. I can't imagine Griff hasn't done his due diligence on a bunch of guys who ended up signing elsewhere, but decided against them either for roster reasons, for contract length reasons, or because they wanted more to come to a lottery team than to go to a contender.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I think that something you have to consider is player choice.

Sure you can beat yourself up thinking ''oh but we could have had Moe Harkless for $4m...''

But could we? I'm sure the front office didn't just forget that he exists. Maybe he's willing to go play for Miami - a championship contender coming off a finals run - for $3.6m, but wouldn't come to the Pelicans for so little. I can't imagine Griff hasn't done his due diligence on a bunch of guys who ended up signing elsewhere, but decided against them either for roster reasons, for contract length reasons, or because they wanted more to come to a lottery team than to go to a contender.

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When I made my post about Harkless at 4 mil, my point was that it was the going rate, but we were bypassed for someone else as we usually are for whatever reason.

I wasn't insinuating the front office was just being lax and that's why we whiffed

What's the likelihood we extend Adams? I know ge got an inflated contract back when the cap explosion happened. What is he worth now? 15-17 per year? I'd extend him.

3+1 deal. Getting tired of trading picks for one year rental at the 5.

Harkless turned down more lucrative deals to try and get a ring in Miami. I know they made the finals, but the bubble could of had a lot to do with that. Right now the 76ers look a whole lot better. Boston will be if they can add Ibaka. Brooklyn may be the favorites if they all healthy and able to contribute

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Originally Posted by AusPel

When I made my post about Harkless at 4 mil, my point was that it was the going rate, but we were bypassed for someone else as we usually are for whatever reason.

I wasn't insinuating the front office was just being lax and that's why we whiffed

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Sure but I just think the idea of there being a going rate for a given player is unhelpful, it can make it seem like we're doomed forever because players are just avoiding something failed about the essence of the team, rather than there just being practical preferences that bypass the money.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

What's the likelihood we extend Adams? I know ge got an inflated contract back when the cap explosion happened. What is he worth now? 15-17 per year? I'd extend him.

3+1 deal. Getting tired of trading picks for one year rental at the 5.

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Depends how long and what for.

I'd give him $15m a year, probably, but if he wants closer to his current money then no way.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

What's the likelihood we extend Adams? I know ge got an inflated contract back when the cap explosion happened. What is he worth now? 15-17 per year? I'd extend him.

3+1 deal. Getting tired of trading picks for one year rental at the 5.

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He actually got his deal the year after the stupid cap explosion

Agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports confirms deal now to ESPN -- Hayward leaving the Celtics for the Hornets on a $120M free agent deal. https://t.co/OYnMbp53Xj

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

SWING AND A MISS FROM AINGE!!!!

No Turner for the Celtics now. Should've just took the Turner McDermott deal..

Btw Hayward is becoming a GOAT at finessing money from teams. Not to say he's bad, but 30M a year is overpayed

FINALLY HAYWARD GETS TO THE HORNETS

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

Btw Hayward is becoming a GOAT at finessing money from teams. Not to say he's bad, but 30M a year is overpayed

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Got the life

The Hornets are going to be decent this year!

PJ Washington, Devote' Graham, Gordon Hayward, Miles Bridges, there's some decent players there. If you're the type who believes in LaMelo then throw him in as well.

Not saying they're gonna win 40 games or anything (they won't) but they probably won't be quite as awful as they've generally been.

I like Aron Baynes
I like Crowder

Myles Turner was a favorite of mine, but 45 million for two Bigs is a nope. That Steven Adam contract is so bad.

Free agent Avery Bradley has agreed to a two-year, $11.6M deal with the Miami Heat, his agent Charles Briscoe tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 21, 2020

Oof heat getting better too. Especially if they resign crowder

Pretty disastrous offseason for Boston, not gonna lie.

Follows up a pretty awful draft with letting Hayward leave for nothing when they literally had a trade for Turner on the table for him. This is the year after they let Kyrie and Hayward walk for nothing, and refused to trade for AD. Which in itself was the year after they refused to trade for Kawhi.

Danny Ainge stays letting tradeable assets fly out the door for nothing and making bad choices.

Edit: Kyrie and Horford, sorry lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Pretty disastrous offseason for Boston, not gonna lie.

Follows up a pretty awful draft with letting Hayward leave for nothing when they literally had a trade for Turner on the table for him. This is the year after they let Kyrie and Hayward walk for nothing, and refused to trade for AD. Which in itself was the year after they refused to trade for Kawhi.

Danny Ainge stays letting tradeable assets fly out the door for nothing and making bad choices.

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Angie doesn't do trades unless he wins by a criminal margin on paper.

And he doesn't understand that sometimes you got to compromise to win a little.

We now have a Half Ton Pickup with a couple high powered Hemis:

Adams: 285
Williamson: 285
Ingram: 195
Ball: 190
Bledsoe: 205

Total 1,160

Win or lose, teams that play us, will know they played us.

Hornets.

F: PJ Washington
F: Miles Bridges
SF: Gordon Hayward
G: Devonte Graham
PG: LeMelo Ball
6th: Terry Rozier

I think they would be best to run a small lineup like this and use their speed. Not a bad little team

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Originally Posted by As I See It

We now have a Half Ton Pickup with a couple high powered Hemis:

Adams: 285
Williamson: 285
Ingram: 195
Ball: 190
Bledsoe: 205

Total 1,160

Win or lose, teams that play us, will know they played us.

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i want to see zion and adams in pnr.....bledsoe and zion in pnr.....playing inside out should be good for us with shooters on the floor...

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Originally Posted by As I See It

We now have a Half Ton Pickup with a couple high powered Hemis:

Adams: 285
Williamson: 285
Ingram: 195
Ball: 190
Bledsoe: 205

Total 1,160

Win or lose, teams that play us, will know they played us.

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Well, there's a video on the yt that supposedly shows a recent photo of Zion looking rather slimmed down quite a bit. But photos can always be deceiving.

I won't link it here because the channel is full of fake *** click bait. But it's somehow popular.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Well, there's a video on the yt that supposedly shows a recent photo of Zion looking rather slimmed down quite a bit. But photos can always be deceiving.

I won't link it here because the channel is full of fake *** click bait. But it's somehow popular.

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Yeah I seen the picture but I'll reserve my judgement until camp starts. Maybe even the season.

Damn Avery Bradley also likely takes less money to play in Miami, 2 years $11.6 mil. Pat Riley doing what he does.

Crowder to PHx

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Crowder to PHx

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Phoenix slowly becoming a team that's gonna be in the top 4 in the west.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Crowder to PHx

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So i guess another year of Hart guarding Lebron and Leonard wow...

I'm getting kind of annoyed with the lack of attention with wing depth.

same ******** every year where we never address wings

Danny Ainge maybe the most overrated GM ever

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Hornets.

F: PJ Washington
F: Miles Bridges
SF: Gordon Hayward
G: Devonte Graham
PG: LeMelo Ball
6th: Terry Rozier

I think they would be best to run a small lineup like this and use their speed. Not a bad little team

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Someone from that group will not be on the team, if I understand the situation correctly. The Hornets have to trim $7.5m in payroll to be able to take on Heyward’s deal.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

same ******** every year where we never address wings

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The last free agent Wing we got was Solomon Hill.... Gross

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Originally Posted by Mount Zion

Someone from that group will not be on the team, if I understand the situation correctly. The Hornets have to trim $7.5m in payroll to be able to take on Heyward’s deal.

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Probably Melo

Why do you people care? They are not winning a championship this year. If the main complaint in wing depth, then that's great. Have a ton of ammo to address that some other time.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

same ******** every year where we never address wings

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Still got some decent wings available via FA. also as slow as the market is for Bledsoe, he's still a trading chip.

Free agent Jae Crowder has agreed to a three-year deal with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 21, 2020

Former undrafted two-way player John Konchar has agreed to a four-year, $9M deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, agent Happy Walters tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 21, 2020

Free agent Avery Bradley has agreed to a two-year, $11.6M deal with the Miami Heat, his agent Charles Briscoe tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 21, 2020