Playoffs Thread

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Originally Posted by Snarly

I will believe that the season is over when the players leaves the bubble. Until then, it’s a statement move.

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Honestly, let it end and start the 'off-season'. The effort was made to make it real...and the players chose a different path. Let' em give Giannis and Morant their trophies and let's start over. That way, we might even get a summer league in after the draft.

I think what's also interesting is that going on a wildcat strike is against the terms of the CBA. I very much doubt ownership is pleased by this, whatever their public statements might imply.

Similarly, you had the actual CBA set to expire in September anyway (iirc) although it's been pushed back due to the bubble and whatnot.

I wonder how this will impact the next CBA.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I think what's also interesting is that going on a wildcat strike is against the terms of the CBA. I very much doubt ownership is pleased by this, whatever their public statements might imply.

Similarly, you had the actual CBA set to expire in September anyway (iirc) although it's been pushed back due to the bubble and whatnot.

I wonder how this will impact the next CBA.

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Management is in an enviable position by default:

* Broadcasting Revenue has to take a massive hit (especially individual markets)
* The image of the NBA player is suffering nationally (maybe not in China...aahh, yes, remember China)
* They allowed the players to become social billboards
* They were kicked in the teeth after their goodwill gesture to re-start the season by this nonsense.
* They incurred mega-expense to ensure the well-being of the players
* Though I believe the COVID scare will cease to exist on November 3rd, there still exist uncertainty as to the disposition of the 2020/21 season.


The players are going to squawk when team caps decline because of fan apathy (decreasing value of broadcasting rights). Translations: Players' salaries are going to be effected and not for the better.

I would be quite interested (if anyone knows) in what the status of ticket renewals are for next season throughout the league.

Sources: The Lakers and Clippers have voted to boycott the NBA season. Most other teams voted to continue. LeBron James has exited the meeting.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 27, 2020

Sources: As some in tonight's meeting wanted to hear Bucks' explanation for making an abrupt decision independent of rest of teams to boycott game, Boston's Jaylen Brown essentially said that the Bucks didn't need to explain themselves and he fully supported what they did today.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 27, 2020

Big up Jaylen Brown

I’m moved by all the @NBA players for standing up for what is right. To my man @TheJetOnTNT I would like to say Thank you for what you did to show your support for the players. I am so proud of you. Keep getting in good trouble. @NBAonTNT @ESPNNBA @espn #NBAPlayoffs ✊��

— TheBillRussell (@RealBillRussell) August 26, 2020

Every now and again we get reminded that the NBA is Bill Russell's league, and it's a good thing.

The NBA's players have decided to resume the playoffs, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 27, 2020

I see Mac has deleted Twitter again

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The NBA's players have decided to resume the playoffs, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 27, 2020

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Not a surprise.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not a surprise.

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It's not surprising but it is disappointing. They're apparently meeting later today to discuss what the league/owners will do, which seems sort of backwards to me. When you strike you're not supposed to agree to come back to work before you've even set formal demands.

And their point was?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It's not surprising but it is disappointing. They're apparently meeting later today to discuss what the league/owners will do, which seems sort of backwards to me. When you strike you're not supposed to agree to come back to work before you've even set formal demands.

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I have a feeling most of the players only joined in because they felt forced to and not because they wanted to can the season. Everyone has to be on board from the beginning or you get something like this.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I have a feeling most of the players only joined in because they felt forced to and not because they wanted to can the season. Everyone has to be on board from the beginning or you get something like this.

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Workplace solidarity is a basic thing, imo.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Workplace solidarity is a basic thing, imo.

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I think the problem is the fans. Everything they do is to repay the fans that allow them to live luxurious lifestyles. So let’s say they boycott the season. These athletes that slay a different mistress every night and eat at the fanciest restaurants have to convince the fans that they feel the pain of the oppressed or the lower class. Not saying it’s right, but it will fall on deaf ears and they will only alienate their fan base by boycotting the season. They know this. Only the ones that are too big to fail are the ones that are standing firm

Boycotting themselves proves what?

Serious Question:

Dare I ask, what sacrifice did the players make for the 'cause'?

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Originally Posted by As I See It

* Though I believe the COVID scare will cease to exist on November 3rd, there still exist uncertainty as to the disposition of the 2020/21 season.
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I generally try to not be brash or rude. Especially, when It's someone I would call a friend. I will only say this once and never speak of it again.

As a medical professional that has hundreds of my own patients die from this, please keep your stupid ********ing opinion to yourself.

Covid is gonna last aslong till we develop a seasonal vaccine and crush it.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I generally try to not be brash or rude. Especially, when It's someone I would call a friend. I will only say this once and never speak of it again.

As a medical professionals that has hundreds of my own patients die from this, please keep your stupid ********ing opinion to yourself.

Covid is gonna last aslong till we develop a seasonal vaccine and crush it.

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Unfortunately, my friend(s), you failed.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Unfortunately, my friend(s), you failed.

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He's right

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Serious Question:

Dare I ask, what sacrifice did the players make for the 'cause'?

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Apparently a two day vacation with pay.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Serious Question:

Dare I ask, what sacrifice did the players make for the 'cause'?

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Didn't some stay really late at the night for one meeting, then get up really early for another one?

#sacrifice

Perception

The players in contract years have everything to lose here. I cannot blame them at all. If LeBron can whinge about Morey, the players can protect their own self interests as well.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I generally try to not be brash or rude. Especially, when It's someone I would call a friend. I will only say this once and never speak of it again.

As a medical professionals that has hundreds of my own patients die from this, please keep your stupid ********ing opinion to yourself.

Covid is gonna last aslong till we develop a seasonal vaccine and crush it.

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Honestly impressed by your restraint here.

Is he really implying Covid is essentially a conspiracy theory? :idoh:

So the players were told their pay would get cut and they folded?! Lol what a joke this league has turned into.. I see some of the most die hard fans including myself becoming less interested each day. My ticket rep called me yesterday to discuss my renewal and I decided for the first time in 10+ years to wait and see if the circus will continue or will it go back to sports.

I must admit I found other things to watch these past couple of days. Netflix is great.

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Originally Posted by donato

Is he really implying Covid is essentially a conspiracy theory? :idoh:

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Yes, yes he is! Oy ********in vey!!!

I got a call about renewing partial season tickets. I told them I’m not renewing until people are allowed to sit in stands. I’m not committing to anything till I see people alllowed in stands again. Y’all dragged your feet on the refunds from last season and I don’t want to go through that again.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I got a call about renewing partial season tickets. I told them I’m not renewing until people are allowed to sit in stands. I’m not committing to anything till I see people alllowed in stands again. Y’all dragged your feet on the refunds from last season and I don’t want to go through that again.

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Yea this is another issue along with many others. I just don’t see anything going on being good for the NBA in the short term or long term. I just want to know what the end game is and what change do people expect to happen cause some millionaires playing a kids game decide to sit out. I was fine with everything going on until the boycott that ended over players losing $ that they expect everyone else to give up yet they used Obama as being the reason why they ended it because he said to play. Come on.

I struggle to understand why people think these players owe them something. Even if you are a season ticket holder, that is a contract you made with the organization and not the players. If their actions in response to an evolving situation are not necessarily consistent or coherent to the rest of the world, that is to be expected. It is an evolving and highly fraught situation. They are trying to balance their interests as workers and as citizens and that is bound to be difficult for literally everyone in 2020.

Back to the playoffs. Just about every team that makes it into the next round has a real chance at winning the championship. The NBA has never been so wide open before. Pels need to hire a new coach so I can start getting somewhat excited about next season. Let’s our young guys grow and develop with each other and we will be contenders for a long time!

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Originally Posted by boardtown

I struggle to understand why people think these players owe them something. Even if you are a season ticket holder, that is a contract you made with the organization and not the players. If their actions in response to an evolving situation are not necessarily consistent or coherent to the rest of the world, that is to be expected. It is an evolving and highly fraught situation. They are trying to balance their interests as workers and as citizens and that is bound to be difficult for literally everyone in 2020.

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So I’m suppose to lose $ and not get it back because I’m a season ticket holder? I lost a lot of $ this season. The players are also under contract and if they want to be paid they should play the games and not expect to sit out on issues that have nothing to do with the NBA. I’m fine with them using their platform by using jerseys and whatever to get their voice heard even if I don’t agree with it.

Why do they owe fans anything? Because without fans they wouldn’t be able to play a kids game while getting paid million and millions of dollars. If you really think they don’t owe fans anything let’s see how long the NBA last without fans. Let’s see how comfortable they are with their pay when people stop buying tickets that directly pays them.. when people stop watching games and paying for services like league pass or buying jerseys that pays them. What does the organization owe the players if the players owe the fans nothing? I have yet to get one answer for what is the change wanted and change expected by sitting out the season. Which would have 100% been the case if they weren’t to lose some of their pay. Just everyone else is expected to lose out and owners are suppose to open up their pockets due to pressure by being put in a lose lose situation. I want change as well but sorry to break the news it’s not gonna come by doing things this way. Let’s see these athletes do this on their on time and dime which I 100% respect.

I don’t think one person here can honestly say they enjoy the NBA this way as they did before. No problem with athletes having their political or social justice opinions but I don’t need it being thrown in my face all game every game along with every press conference with the threat of sit outs at any moment due to issues that have nothing to do with the NBA.

This year is just crazy. Can we agree to respect other people and their opinions then fast forward to 2021.

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Originally Posted by boardtown

I struggle to understand why people think these players owe them something. Even if you are a season ticket holder, that is a contract you made with the organization and not the players. If their actions in response to an evolving situation are not necessarily consistent or coherent to the rest of the world, that is to be expected. It is an evolving and highly fraught situation. They are trying to balance their interests as workers and as citizens and that is bound to be difficult for literally everyone in 2020.

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How can you be so dense ? ALL pro sports players owe EVERYTHING to the fans that spend their hard earned $ to buy tickets , merch, buy the products and services they promote and endorse. They would be NOTHING without the fans. Every dime in their pockets comes directly or indirectly from fans. No fans = no pro sports = no $$$$ for some of these self centered egotistical crybabies that wine but never REALLY put their $$ where their mouth is. They want to really stand up for the mistreatment they claim cops are giving , then quit their multimillion dollar jobs and go be a COP so they can show us all how it's done . Just as politicians owe us the taxpayers that pay their salaries (before they steal all they can ) pro sports players oue US , the ones that pay their salaries EVERYTHING

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Originally Posted by djrnno

How can you be so dense ? ALL pro sports players owe EVERYTHING to the fans that spend their hard earned $ to buy tickets , merch, buy the products and services they promote and endorse. They would be NOTHING without the fans. Every dime in their pockets comes directly or indirectly from fans. No fans = no pro sports = no $$$$ for some of these self centered egotistical crybabies that wine but never REALLY put their $$ where their mouth is. They want to really stand up for the mistreatment they claim cops are giving , then quit their multimillion dollar jobs and go be a COP so they can show us all how it's done . Just as politicians owe us the taxpayers that pay their salaries (before they steal all they can ) pro sports players oue US , the ones that pay their salaries EVERYTHING

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Ooof.

What a dark timeline and a draining year especially as a black person. RIP Chadwick Boseman.

Barkley said it best

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Originally Posted by djrnno

How can you be so dense ? ALL pro sports players owe EVERYTHING to the fans that spend their hard earned $ to buy tickets , merch, buy the products and services they promote and endorse. They would be NOTHING without the fans. Every dime in their pockets comes directly or indirectly from fans. No fans = no pro sports = no $$$$ for some of these self centered egotistical crybabies that wine but never REALLY put their $$ where their mouth is. They want to really stand up for the mistreatment they claim cops are giving , then quit their multimillion dollar jobs and go be a COP so they can show us all how it's done . Just as politicians owe us the taxpayers that pay their salaries (before they steal all they can ) pro sports players oue US , the ones that pay their salaries EVERYTHING

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To be fair to the players, I think it was only a select few that actually pushed this and wanted to go through with it. I don’t think they take the fans for granted, hence why they are starting the games again.

You can say that it's all about the fans if you want, but it's actually not. You can conceivably have a basketball league with no fans. It wouldn't make much money, but the product would exist. You can't have a basketball league even in theory with no players. The Labour comes first, as it always does, and labour is entitled to all that it creates.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You can say that it's all about the fans if you want, but it's actually not. You can conceivably have a basketball league with no fans. It wouldn't make much money, but the product would exist. You can't have a basketball league even in theory with no players. The Labour comes first, as it always does, and labour is entitled to all that it creates.

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I’m pretty sure the players would rather make tons of money, so yeah no way they cancel this season.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I’m pretty sure the players would rather make tons of money, so yeah no way they cancel this season.

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Lebron does not need the money.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You can say that it's all about the fans if you want, but it's actually not. You can conceivably have a basketball league with no fans. It wouldn't make much money, but the product would exist. You can't have a basketball league even in theory with no players. The Labour comes first, as it always does, and labour is entitled to all that it creates.

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Yea ok! LoL!

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

To be fair to the players, I think it was only a select few that actually pushed this and wanted to go through with it. I don’t think they take the fans for granted, hence why they are starting the games again.

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I agree with this and I feel bad for some of the players just wanting to play basketball that have to go through this boycott nonsense. I guarantee you many are scared of going against the big bad Lebron and being boycotted or cancelled from the NBA. Everyone knows how dangerous a difference of opinion is these days. Like I said I didn’t agree with the NBA doing some of the things they did but I understand and am fine with players wanting to express things during this time. I just have yet to see any of them offer up an actual solution. They pushed for all of this other stuff and since it didn’t create change they need more and more which will ultimately ever be enough because they don’t even know what it is they want. Yet their egos are so inflated that they think they are so much different than the average person and boycotting the playoffs will create change. Maybe I should shut down my business and lay off all of my employees to create some change.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Lebron does not need the money.

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Yea not anymore because the fans have made him all the $ in the world for playing a fun kids game. Many of the other players do and for Lebron and a few other players putting all of these players lifes and families in a bad spot that do need the $ is very selfish. Not to mention all of the non players that need to be paid for doing their job also. Again what is going on outside of basketball right now has absolutely nothing to do with basketball. Let them do this on their own time and use their platforms then.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I’m pretty sure the players would rather make tons of money, so yeah no way they cancel this season.

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Nothing in what I said disagrees with this. Totally not the point of what I said, whatsoever.

I’m surprised that the Lakers were able to beat the odds. Hearing from their fans and the media everyone was counting them out after the first game (rolls eyes). I swear, Laker fans live/love to feel disrespected.

Side note, I have no problem with the Lakers doing well, I just don’t want them winning the title. I am pulling for the Raptors and Mavs.

This is a playoffs thread. Let's please stay on topic. There is a thread on "Talk of the Town" to discuss views on off the court issues.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I’m surprised that the Lakers were able to beat the odds. Hearing from their fans and the media everyone was counting them out after the first game (rolls eyes). I swear, Laker fans live/love to feel disrespected.

Side note, I have no problem with the Lakers doing well, I just don’t want them winning the title. I am pulling for the Raptors and Mavs.

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Yea it is better for the game to see them in the next round. Would have been a good under dog story for Portland. I just wanna see Queen James lose and whoever else wins I’m fine with.

Raptors usually take a game for their defense to adjust and set in... So, Celtics take a 2-0 lead. Raptors are done. I don't see how they backdoor sweep them without a true superstar.