1st March - New Orleans Pelicans VS Los Angeles Lakers - 26-33

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Not in a heartbeat. Thats an unbalanced trade since Ingram is a forward and Beal in a guard. What do you do with the army of guards already here then? What massive hole do you now have at F?

Pump the brakes people. This is literally Ingram's worst game in several months.

And unfortunately the whole team looked confused and out of sorts when things got tight in the 4th. All they seemed to know to do was get the ball and take off like a chicken. Feathers flying in their wake.

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Originally Posted by akhan786

What do y’all think about doing a sign and trade with BI?

Maybe for Beal?

And then trade Jrue for vet wing that can guard the Lebron’s of the world

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So you gonna totally ignore that last part in his post

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Originally Posted by akhan786

What do y’all think about doing a sign and trade with BI?

Maybe for Beal?

And then trade Jrue for vet wing that can guard the Lebron’s of the world

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There is only one Kawhi Leonard and you can't trade for him.

Robert covington should of took him for Minnesota

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

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So you gonna totally ignore that last part in his post

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There are probably three or four players in the NBA that I would trust to guard LeBron with any kind of serious success and none of them are getting traded.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

There are probably three or four players in the NBA that I would trust to guard LeBron with any kind of serious success and none of them are getting traded.

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Well Lebron has probably only 2 more good years. He cant beat father time so at least we dont have to deal with him and Zion will have taken his place by then.

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

Well Lebron has probably only 2 more good years. He cant beat father time so at least we dont have to deal with him and Zion will have taken his place by then.

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That's what they said 2 years ago :hihi:

Barring excess injury, I can imagine Lebron playing at a high level until he's 40. His athleticism has dropped, obviously, and it will continue to do so steadily but slowly over the years. But his IQ is still ridiculous, and he's actually better than ever as a passer. Even his defense is a lot better than people credit him for, as he's moved into playing the ''big'' role on D more often than the wing.

If Vince Carter is still going at it at 43 years of age I don’t see how Lebron can’t.

Advanced Stats for Tonight
15 minute played minimum


Best TS%: Zion Williamson, 80.6%
Worst TS%: Brandon Ingram, 30.3%
Highest REB%: Derrick Favors, 21.9%
Highest AST%: Lonzo Ball, 39.1%

Highest Net Rating: Brandon Ingram +2.1 somehow :hihi:
Lowest Net Rating: Josh Hart, -14.9

Most Deflections: Lonzo with 3, Zion with 2
Most Screen Assists:Zion and Favors tied at 1 each
Most 2pt Contests: Favors with 7, followed by Ingram and Zion with 4
Most 3pt Contests: Favors with 5, followed by Zion with 4
Most Overall Contests: Favors with 12, followed by Zion with 8
Most Boxouts: Favors with 10. That's a huge number; second place was Melli with 3.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If Vince Carter is still going at it at 43 years of age I don’t see how Lebron can’t.

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Vince Carter is not the Vinsanity he used to be cmon man if he plays until 43 he will not be as domniate but maybe I’m wrong and he’s the first 45 year old MVP

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

Vince Carter is not the Vinsanity he used to be cmon man if he plays until 43 he will not be as domniate but maybe I’m wrong and he’s the first 45 year old MVP

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Nobody's saying he'll be dominant when he's 43, and nobody's saying that Vince Carter is the same guy today as he was in 2003.

But if Vince Carter, who showed signs of aging far earlier than Lebron did, can still be a productive and good NBA player at 43 years of age, there's no reason to suspect Lebron James (who is far better right now at age 35 than Carter ever was) only has 2 more good years in him.

At some point Gentry has to learn that Jrue cant guard Lebron by himself

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

Vince Carter is not the Vinsanity he used to be cmon man if he plays until 43 he will not be as domniate but maybe I’m wrong and he’s the first 45 year old MVP

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Did I say Vince Carter was Vinsanity? No. I’m saying that he is still playing in the league, and he is 43. He will be the first to tell you he can’t get up like he used to, but he has sharpened the other parts of his game to stay afloat in the league. It’s not hard to imagine a tank like Lebron giving up the ghost any time soon.

This is the story every time we play the Lakers. I don't even get my hopes up at all.

The game is close until the 4th quarter. Then LeBron is like "Yeah, you have nobody who can guard me. I think I'll do whatever I want."

And then he proceeds to do whatever the hell he wants.

LITERALLY. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

He doesn't even have to do his patented flops. He just rapes us, and shrugs his shoulders.

Pelicans went 5/18 from the field in the 4th quarter.

Zion personally went 3/5.
Melli was 1/2
Lonzo was 1/3
Ingram, Hart, Jrue, Favors, and Moore combined to go 0/8 in the 4th. Ingram himself went 0/5, Jrue 0/2.

We had 19 points; Zion had 12 of them. Lonzo had 4, Melli had 3. Nobody else even got to the FT line.

That's a horrible quarter for the team.

Zion is the number 1 trending topic on twitter

Is it positive or negative comments

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

This is the story every time we play the Lakers. I don't even get my hopes up at all.

The game is close until the 4th quarter. Then LeBron is like "Yeah, you have nobody who can guard me. I think I'll do whatever I want."

And then he proceeds to do whatever the hell he wants.

LITERALLY. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

He doesn't even have to do his patented flops. He just rapes us, and shrugs his shoulders.

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LeBron was incredible and he was really hyped for this game.I thought the Pels did well until the 4th despite Jrue and BI both putting up stinkers.Zion is the truth he is the heart and soul of this team.I'm tired of beating up Gentry it is what it is.This is who the Pelicans are unless the get a better coach and get more dependable players who don't choke under pressure.

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Zion is the number 1 trending topic on twitter

Is it positive or negative comments

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Mostly positive!

PELICANS DID WELL TONIGHT. THAT WAS A TOUGH LAKERS TEAM TOO BEAT.

Tyson would throw some of the most brutal punches anyone's ever seen, miss, and then just calmly get ready to throw another one. It's just normal to do.

— Moonage Draymond (@Cosmis) March 2, 2020

I think the reason we lost is that we are running too fast for our own good. Lakers are not budging, after four losses it is clear as day we cannot outrun them. However our defense is affected by our offensive tempo. As a result we just can't maintain enough defensive intensity and perform as a single cohesive unit. What I don't understand is why we are so reluctant to help on defense. The night before in Memphis (yes, yes, don't tell me Lakers played like crap) Grizzlies were doing a fantastic job when somebody got beat one on one close to the rim. Our players, on the other hand, usually do not come to help or constantly blow the timing. And it's frustrating to watch.

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Originally Posted by Ivan Balakhonov

I think the reason we lost is that we are running too fast for our own good. Lakers are not budging, after four losses it is clear as day we cannot outrun them. However our defense is affected by our offensive tempo. As a result we just can't maintain enough defensive intensity and perform as a single cohesive unit. What I don't understand is why we are so reluctant to help on defense. The night before in Memphis (yes, yes, don't tell me Lakers played like crap) Grizzlies were doing a fantastic job when somebody got beat one on one close to the rim. Our players, on the other hand, usually do not come to help or constantly blow the timing. And it's frustrating to watch.

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Memphis has a bunch of smart team defenders on it, we don't. It's a little more complicated than that, but not much.

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Originally Posted by Lonzo4MVP

PELICANS DID WELL TONIGHT. THAT WAS A TOUGH LAKERS TEAM TOO BEAT.

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They were down AD and Caruso.

Zion's last 7 games (since missing the Indiana game)

Vs Portland - 31pts, 9rbds, 5asts, 10/17 shooting in 28 minutes
Vs Oklahoma - 32pts, 6rbds, 1ast, 11/19 shooting in 31 minutes
@ Portland - 25pts, 4rbds, 3asts, 10/17 shooting in 29 minutes
@ Warriors - 28pts, 7rbds, 2asts, 13/20 shooting in 33 minutes
@ Lakers - 29pts, 6rbds, 3asts, 8/18 shooting in 33 minutes
Vs Cleveland - 24pts, 3rbds, 2asts, 11/16 shooting in 30 minutes
Vs Lakers - 35pts, 7rbds, 0asts, 12/16 shooting in 33 minutes

29.1pts, 6rbds, 2.3asts per game on a total of 75/123 shooting for 60.9%FG in an average of 31 minutes per game.

This is ridiculousness. And yes, while it's true that some of these teams are bad, Lakers and Portland are 4 of those 7 games and both of those teams are top 5 in defensive fg% differential at the rim; that is, they're two of the 5 best rim-protecting teams, which is Zion's biggest offensive skill. These should be the teams that he struggles most against. Nope.

What's so exciting about this is that while this is insanely good, there's still obvious room for improvement and I believe in his ability to make those strides. We still haven't seen even 75% of the defensive player he was at Duke, and I'm confident that that will be something he brings into his second year at a higher level.

I really like Jrue and there are not many players I would trade him for but he has the tendency to disappear. His fit on this team is looking suspect with Ingram.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

They were down AD and Caruso.

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Dude must've just watched the highlights. That L was embarrassing.

Between BI going 5-23 (21.7%), and the team shooting 7-32 from 3 (21.9%) it's not really surprising we lost. You can't shoot THAT badly against the Lakers and win.

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“I’ve got to do a better job of executing,” Ingram said after the loss. “I think I get so hyped up in these games, I tend to force some shots instead of letting the game come to me. I think they did a good job. We had some open shots, we just didn’t make them.”

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From Will Guillory in The Athletic.

Look, at least he knows it. The best thing to face a problem is by admitting your mistakes, and now he can work on bettering himself. Still 22 and was an All Star this year. He'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

From Will Guillory in The Athletic.

Look, at least he knows it. The best thing to face a problem is by admitting your mistakes, and now he can work on bettering himself. Still 22 and was an All Star this year. He'll be fine.

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He also have all off season to be healthy and get ready for next season. Still made a huge leap from his rookie and sophomore year. He just need to wirk on getting his core stronger.

Brandon Ingram is an easy max contract to move for
A ransom.

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/s...263240705?s=21

How many points you think Zion scores if he’s given 50 shots and 30 FTAs?

It definitely sucks to lose to THEM, but at least you have someone like Ingram who stood up and said he should have been better. I'm sure he's beating himself up over it more than any of us could. I'm just glad he didn't go into a shell halfway through like some people. Just keep taking the open shots and they'll fall.

Not to mention there were a few times where Zion had some really bad turnovers when he was trying to make a move and the Lakers caught him. But like Ingram, he's young, and he's at least trying. It takes a longgggg time before you get your handles up like that. AD was the same way.

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Originally Posted by akhan786

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/s...263240705?s=21

How many points you think Zion scores if he’s given 50 shots and 30 FTAs?

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Assuming normal efficiency from Zion? 80 ish.

Edit: just to clarify my reasoning here.

Zion takes 24.7FGAs and 13.7FTAs per 100 right now. So to get his results for 50FGAs and 30FTAs you can pretty much just double his per 100 stats.

Right now, per 100, he's averaging 38.7 points. So double it; 77.4. Getting up to about 80 seems reasonable if he took that many shots.

LOL

Zion just gave JaVale his jersey and left �� pic.twitter.com/RtYlAeYVSf

— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) March 2, 2020

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

From Will Guillory in The Athletic.

Look, at least he knows it. The best thing to face a problem is by admitting your mistakes, and now he can work on bettering himself. Still 22 and was an All Star this year. He'll be fine.

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Yeah, and I actually agree with Ingram. I think that in games where he's struggling to make shots, he sometimes does start trying to force more. Kind of like he's trying to shoot himself back into the game, rather than adjusting and playing within the flow of the offense.

I checked this a while ago, so it may no longer be exactly accurate, but I think at one point he had only 10 games where he'd taken at least 23 shots, and in those games his averages were dramatically under his season averages. Something like 43%FG and 35% from 3, rather than his normal 48%FG and 39% from 3. That is; there's some correlation between Ingram shooting badly, and shooting a lot :hihi:

But if he understands that, and recognises that, it's something he can work on. I'm really glad to hear that kind of awareness from him.

Ingram needs to shoot 20+ shots per game. He is a scorer and has the talent to shoot that much.

He just needs to start making those shots. Jordan was similar in his younger days trying to get past Detroit. Kobe wasn't always the most efficient shooter either.

It's just a natural progression.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Ingram needs to shoot 20+ shots per game. He is a scorer and has the talent to shoot that much.

He just needs to start making those shots. Jordan was similar in his younger days trying to get past Detroit. Kobe wasn't always the most efficient shooter either.

It's just a natural progression.

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And if it's within the flow of the offense and he's just getting all these shots by playing hard and moving off ball or beating his man on drives, then he can take 20 shots and nobody cares. The issue comes when he's forcing shots, missing them, and then taking more bad shots to compensate for the fact that he's missing them. Even he admitted it's a problem he's had from time to time.

For what it's worth, Jordan took a lot of shots but much of it was within the offense. When I've gone back and watched old Jordan games, something that sticks out to me (that I don't think people talk about enough) is actually how much work he did off the ball. He was a fantastic off-ball player, and that helped him take a bunch of shots without it actually unbalancing the offense that much.