Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

June 26, 2014 Updates

Brian Windhorst: More dominos will fall in Asik-to-Pelicans deal. N.O. may move Austin Rivers to create cap space. One option: dad Doc owns trade exception Twitter @WindhorstESPN
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_....CMXM9qfJ.dpuf

If we move Rivers, are we saying that Dell/Monty are comfortable with Roberts and Jackson as our options at backup PG?

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I wouldn't mind a back court of Jackson and Morrow to come off the bench. IF Rivers gets traded (which I hope he doesn't). Please no more Roberts!

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Originally Posted by TheDawg26

I wouldn't mind a back court of Jackson and Morrow to come off the bench. IF Rivers gets traded (which I hope he doesn't). Please no more Roberts!

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Morrow is going to cost us probably more than River's salary that we would be dumping.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Thank you to whoever blamed me for spreading the rumor to TigerDroppings. I don't even have an account on that craphole site. Appreciate it a lot fellas.

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Quails are never snitches. I vouch for you on this matter.

Even if i don't know what we're talking about or what tigerdroppings is.

But still.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Quails are never snitches. I vouch for you on this matter.

Even if i don't know what we're talking about or what tigerdroppings is.

But still.

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I appreciate it. Someone posted RekeHavoc's rumor on tiger droppings and I guess someone felt compelled to throw me under the bus. Not sure what I did to merit that "honor", but I'm not an *******.

I bet Dell had learned his lesson. If a restricted free agent( i.e. Gordon) tells you not to match a contract, then you don't do it. I hate to beat a dead horse but that max contract is really hampering some moves we could make.


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can someone give me a breif recap of the entire deal? What protection on the pick? and is the rumor we are sending a player and getting a SF back?

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Originally Posted by speedyG

can someone give me a breif recap of the entire deal? What protection on the pick? and is the rumor we are sending a player and getting a SF back?

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Asik for a 2015 first. There is no conformation what the protections are. Rumored to be 1-3 and 20-30 protected.

As MM has pointed out, one of the core 5 or Rivers has to be moved to fit Asik. There's rumors about deals but obviously Dell is listening to all options first to see what is the best he can do.

I'm really finding it hard to be optimistic about this trade. I just don't think this team has a shot at playoff contention, giving previous history and coaching.

Someone please try to talk me into it.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I'm really finding it hard to be optimistic about this trade. I just don't think this team has a shot at playoff contention, giving previous history and coaching.

Someone please try to talk me into it.

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No. If you can't understand how awesome the Asik trade is already there is nothing we can say.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I'm really finding it hard to be optimistic about this trade. I just don't think this team has a shot at playoff contention, giving previous history and coaching.

Someone please try to talk me into it.

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Why are you not optimistic?

Davis/Asik /Anderson is arguably the best 3 big rotation in the league. Holiday/Evans are a very strong backcourt. They have depth pieces with rivers/roberts/ajinca/withey and jackson stashed. They only need to get rid of gordon and get a decent SF.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

No. If you can't understand how awesome the Asik trade is already there is nothing we can say.

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Thanks for trying.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's assign players to the MLE, the room exception, and the draft pick.

I will say:

Room exception - Richard Jefferson
MLE - Jordan Hill
1st round pick - James Young

In option 1, you fill out roster with Ryno, Jefferson, Withey, and 3-5 minimum guys

In option 2, you fill out roster with Rivers, Player X, James Young, Withey, Morrow, Jordan Hill, and Babbitt

And yes, there are thousands of permutations of this, but it is an example.

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This is why I think Dell is a genius if he pulls this off the way it's been rumored he's pursuing it.

Option 2 is clearly the better option and gives you a roster that is constructed to compete with Phoenix, Dallas, Memphis, and Portland for a playoff spot. The playoffs just showed us how important having depth is, if only to make sure guys have fresh legs entering the 2nd season.

If Player X is who he was last year, the Pelicans will not have a single hole in the starting 5. And option 2 gives us depth and a couple of those rookie contracts that ESPN folks seem to think are the most valuable assets a team can have.

The part of this that is even more exciting is what could happen with Gordon. IMO, there are 3 options:

1. Gordon sucks, pouts, and/or is injured a lot next season
2. Gordon stays healthy and guns for 6th Man of the Year making our bench very very good.
3. Gordon is traded for some other asset(s) that we can't predict but contributes to our depth. Something like Gordon to Chicago for Boozer/Snell (or Dunleavy). Or Gordon to Charlotte for MKG. Or Gordon to Nuggets for Gallo.

It seems really reasonable to think this team could be setting up for a bigger year than anyone in the national media will predict.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I bet Dell had learned his lesson. If a restricted free agent( i.e. Gordon) tells you not to match a contract, then you don't do it. I hate to beat a dead horse but that max contract is really hampering some moves we could make.


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First name Anthony... last name Davis.

The @PelicansNBA trade to bring Omer Asik to Nola is 95% done deal. A few remaining details should be sorted through by end of today.

— Jennifer Hale (@JenHale504) June 26, 2014

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I'm really finding it hard to be optimistic about this trade. I just don't think this team has a shot at playoff contention, giving previous history and coaching.

Someone please try to talk me into it.

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Our biggeset issues have been injuries, rebounding, and defense. Our offense was actually pretty strong.

SO, this trade helps us with the one thing we can actually control. Asik is a top 5 defensive center and rebounds the hell out of the ball. He will mesh into Monty's highly mobile defense, while not taking any shots from our core players. He is servicable on offense as well.

Ultimately this allows us to get him involved in our system a year early as opposed to signing him next year. It could also serve to convince him that this is a long term solution where he can both win, and receive PT

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Originally Posted by The Emperor

Why are you not optimistic?

Davis/Asik /Anderson is arguably the best 3 big rotation in the league. Holiday/Evans are a very strong backcourt. They have depth pieces with rivers/roberts/ajinca/withey and jackson stashed. They only need to get rid of gordon and get a decent SF.

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That last part is what bothers me. We still have a hole in SF. We have to get rid of some depth to take back Asik. And we can blame injuries all we want for last season, but the West is incredibly tough. I personally feel that you don't trade draft picks until you're confident you can make the playoffs consistently.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

Thanks for trying.

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Debbie downer, Womp Womp

If you can convince me that there would be somebody between 4-20 in next years draft that would help us more in the future than Asik does now I will concede this argument.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

That last part is what bothers me. We still have a hole in SF. We have to get rid of some depth to take back Asik. And we can blame injuries all we want for last season, but the West is incredibly tough. I personally feel that you don't trade draft picks until you're confident you can make the playoffs consistently.

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Cool story bro.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

The @PelicansNBA trade to bring Omer Asik to Nola is 95% done deal. A few remaining details should be sorted through by end of today.

— Jennifer Hale (@JenHale504) June 26, 2014

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Hopefully it's contingent on Dell finding a third team and keeping the MLE.


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I like the move the Pelicans made. All we need now is a decent SF.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...ouston-rockets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IFNcYpKzg

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Originally Posted by Schmide234

Our biggeset issues have been injuries, rebounding, and defense. Our offense was actually pretty strong.

SO, this trade helps us with the one thing we can actually control. Asik is a top 5 defensive center and rebounds the hell out of the ball. He will mesh into Monty's highly mobile defense, while not taking any shots from our core players. He is servicable on offense as well.

Ultimately this allows us to get him involved in our system a year early as opposed to signing him next year. It could also serve to convince him that this is a long term solution where he can both win, and receive PT

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I do like the front court together. Thanks for responding.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

I appreciate it. Someone posted RekeHavoc's rumor on tiger droppings and I guess someone felt compelled to throw me under the bus. Not sure what I did to merit that "honor", but I'm not an *******.

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What the **** are you talking about.

skerp

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Originally Posted by Dave_

I like the move the Pelicans made. All we need now is a decent SF.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...ouston-rockets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IFNcYpKzg

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That's awesome. Our interior defense is set, and with Jrue on the ball... our perimeter looks good too. Just need to find a 3 that can defend and knock down shots.

One thing I don't like is all the negativity about this trade . We get a top center with elite defensive skill set that will help AD out as a player and keep him from taking a beating defending the basket because we have no one else to do it . Asik guarantees this and draft pick in the first round doesn't guarantee anything . See Oden , Bennett and countless others . We got an elite defensive center in his prime I think everybody should be happy and stop thinking were missing out on the next Lebron next year .

Obviously, we were supposed to get a player with Asik's skill set to spiral into existence out of the ether, while only giving away 3 pounds of lint and the shattered remains of my respect for Microsoft...

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

One thing I don't like is all the negativity about this trade . We get a top center with elite defensive skill set that will help AD out as a player and keep him from taking a beating defending the basket because we have no one else to do it . Asik guarantees this and draft pick in the first round doesn't guarantee anything . See Oden , Bennett and countless others . We got an elite defensive center in his prime I think everybody should be happy and stop thinking were missing out on the next Lebron next year .

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People seem to always be enamored with the unknown over a certainty.

If I have to pick someone to get rid of, it's for sure rivers.

Also look at what afflalo went for. He's a much better player and I still think he could have fit with us as a 3

Is the Austin Rivers national speculation based off MM's tweets about rivers and Gordon needing to be moved? Or has there been newer info released?

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Is the Austin Rivers national speculation based off MM's tweets about rivers and Gordon needing to be moved? Or has there been newer info released?

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I haven't seen anything Rivers related that wasn't just speculation. But it's the obvious move to make if you can find a taker. No one is going to take Gordon which means you have to choose between trading Ryan Anderson or Austin Rivers, Ely, Miller, and Babbit. You choose keeping Anderson every time unless a team wants to over pay you for him.

The only thing other than Mm's speculation was a tweet or two last night from some media guys saying the Pels were trying to move Rivers for cap.

I met him just a awesome guy he is starting caliber center He worked hard to get those starter minutes so he deserves this.Omer's an elite rebounder and a great defender in the post and on the PnR. Very smart and rugged. And is much better than advertised on offense.he is a true warrior plays with all his heart and soul.the best move for this year.you guys should celebrate this news


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_leHWiZsY

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The only thing other than Mm's speculation was a tweet or two last night from some media guys saying the Pels were trying to move Rivers for cap.

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Windhorst's tweet this morning.

And the fact that one of the six contracts must be moved. That is not speculation. It is pure math

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Is the Austin Rivers national speculation based off MM's tweets about rivers and Gordon needing to be moved? Or has there been newer info released?

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More dominos will fall in Asik-to-Pelicans deal. N.O. may move Austin Rivers to create cap space. One option: dad Doc owns trade exception

— Brian Windhorst (@WindhorstESPN) June 26, 2014

I would love for Doc and Austin to work together. At least then people couldn't say the coach wasn't giving him opportunities.

I don't want Rivers to go :(

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Originally Posted by NOLA_Dave

More dominos will fall in Asik-to-Pelicans deal. N.O. may move Austin Rivers to create cap space. One option: dad Doc owns trade exception

— Brian Windhorst (@WindhorstESPN) June 26, 2014

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Yea, but this is just speculation as well. He may get moved. That COULD be an option. Not saying Pels WILL move him

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Yea, but this is just speculation as well. He may get moved. That COULD be an option. Not saying Pels WILL move him

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Right. Because that would be called a trade.

If the question is: Has an official trade been made, of course the answer is no.

But the undeniable fact is that one of the 6 contracts will need to be moved to bring in Asik. That is not speculation.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Right. Because that would be called a trade.

If the question is: Has an official trade been made, of course the answer is no.

But the undeniable fact is that one of the 6 contracts will need to be moved to bring in Asik. That is not speculation.

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All I'm saying is that these guys are speculating that he could be moved and clippers could be an option. I haven't heard anything official saying that they are actively shopping him is all I'm getting at. I mean we could me tyreke, Jrue, Ryno, Gordon, or any of the other guys too to clear up cap. Again, me saying that we could move them to free space isn't wrong. Highly unlikely? Yes. All I was asking was if any reports said definitely that he's actively being shopped and pushed to be moved.

No need to be a jerk and condescending about it. Jeez. Glad I'm getting the negative press because people here think I'm that quail man ****** on tiger droppings. Sorry folks, different guy.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

All I'm saying is that these guys are speculating that he could be moved and clippers could be an option. I haven't heard anything official saying that they are actively shopping him is all I'm getting at. I mean we could me tyreke, Jrue, Ryno, Gordon, or any of the other guys too to clear up cap. Again, me saying that we could move them to free space isn't wrong. Highly unlikely? Yes. All I was asking was if any reports said definitely that he's actively being shopped and pushed to be moved.

No need to be a jerk and condescending about it. Jeez. Glad I'm getting the negative press because people here think I'm that quail man ****** on tiger droppings. Sorry folks, different guy.

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Just saying, if there was an official trade I am sure this forum would have a post for that.

I dont know what makes reports more speculation and more fact in your mind. All I can tell you is that one of those six contracts has to be moved. Process of elimination probably narrows that down to Ryno and Rivers since Gordon is virtually unmoveable.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Right. Because that would be called a trade.

If the question is: Has an official trade been made, of course the answer is no.

But the undeniable fact is that one of the 6 contracts will need to be moved to bring in Asik. That is not speculation.

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Going to write about some trade ideas and such on bss or waiting for draft night to pass?

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Going to write about some trade ideas and such on bss or waiting for draft night to pass?

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Just waiting. Tired of the What if's

We should have our answer in a few hours.

Dell Demps turned five first round picks

2012 - NOP
2012 - MIN
2013 - NOP
2014 - NOP
2015 - NOP

Into one franchise cornerstone (Davis), two quality starters (Holiday, Asik), and one quality rotation player (Rivers). So he's batting .800 in the first round. How many NBA GM's kill for that?

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Dell Demps turned five first round picks

2012 - NOP
2012 - MIN
2013 - NOP
2014 - NOP
2015 - NOP

Into one franchise cornerstone (Davis), two quality starters (Holiday, Asik), and one quality rotation player (Rivers). So he's batting .800 in the first round. How many NBA GM's kill for that?

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But the unknown! The unknown!

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I dont know what makes reports more speculation and more fact in your mind.

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"I've heard rumors from team sources" vs. "I've surmised because I looked at the salary cap situation". If the Phoenix rumor hadn't come from a source with a track record but instead you saying you've done the math and this is the optimal trade, it would get weighed differently. That's no slight on your powers of deduction, but there is a difference between a reliable source saying "I see smoke" and a smart source saying "this is where my best calculations say the fire should be." Both should be taken seriously, but if you have a credible report of smoke...

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Dell Demps turned five first round picks

2012 - NOP
2012 - MIN
2013 - NOP
2014 - NOP
2015 - NOP

Into one franchise cornerstone (Davis), two quality starters (Holiday, Asik), and one quality rotation player (Rivers). So he's batting .800 in the first round. How many NBA GM's kill for that?

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To add on, only one was top 5 and the next highest pick was the 6th pick in the weakest draft in the last decade. Pretty impressive, and it seems to be ignored with all the criticism.

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Originally Posted by BP225

"I've heard rumors from team sources" vs. "I've surmised because I looked at the salary cap situation". If the Phoenix rumor hadn't come from a source with a track record but instead you saying you've done the math and this is the optimal trade, it would get weighed differently. That's no slight on your powers of deduction, but there is a difference between a reliable source saying "I see smoke" and a smart source saying "this is where my best calculations say the fire should be." Both should be taken seriously, but if you have a credible report of smoke...

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This is basically what I was getting at, but world cup beers have me not at my peak typing capacity. Haha

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

I said it earlier, but I'll say it again. Houston is clearing up space for Carmelo or Lebron. I only hope Carmelo chooses Chicago. And Lebron choose... anywhere in the east hopefully. Asik is a damn nice grab, but I really would not want Houston to get Melo or James. That would be poop.

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Are you really concerned about the Rockets ever winning a championship if they would have Harden and Carmelo playing defense, I mean, supposed to be playing defense? I'm not. They'd be known as the Olè Brothers.

There's two sides of the BB court, as they say.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Dell Demps turned five first round picks

2012 - NOP
2012 - MIN
2013 - NOP
2014 - NOP
2015 - NOP

Into one franchise cornerstone (Davis), two quality starters (Holiday, Asik), and one quality rotation player (Rivers). So he's batting .800 in the first round. How many NBA GM's kill for that?

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Guys, it's not that easy. Add up the $$$ you're spending and then do the comparisons. It's not a matter of just looking at the players.

With these players we've yet to play in a single playoff game. We have to see something from these guys as a group before we say that Demps has done a great job. This team needs to be at least in the 2nd round of the playoffs in the next few years. If not, this is a screw-up.

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Originally Posted by BP225

"I've heard rumors from team sources" vs. "I've surmised because I looked at the salary cap situation". If the Phoenix rumor hadn't come from a source with a track record but instead you saying you've done the math and this is the optimal trade, it would get weighed differently. That's no slight on your powers of deduction, but there is a difference between a reliable source saying "I see smoke" and a smart source saying "this is where my best calculations say the fire should be." Both should be taken seriously, but if you have a credible report of smoke...

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I guess - but trades rely on two parties. So even if we are trying something, and that is legit, that is more of an unknown than the absolute fact that the salary cap dictates that we can not have the Finishing 5, Rivers, and Asik on the books.

I would think that is more fire, our attempt at a trade more smoke.