Tyreke Evans

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Plenty of people (myself, through our sources with TBW, BSS writers, Brett Dawson on the Locked on Pelicans podcast as Mythrol points out above) with varied access points inside the organization have said waiving and stretching Evans has been discussed. The very definition of giving him away for nothing.

There is no evidence that the Pelicans have not explored giving him away for nothing. That they have not actually done it is not proof they have not tried or seriously considered it, in the case of waiving and stretching him.

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Pretty difficult to have evidence of a negative. Not sure if you worded that the way you wanted to, but what exactly would that proof look like?

I'm also not discounting that at some point (likely prior to free agency) that the Pelicans considered all their options to maximize space, including stretching Tyreke. They probably discussed at some point stretching Asik as well. The fact that they didn't stretch Tyreke could be construed as proof that they concluded he has more value than the additional cap space this offseason, right?

My only point is that everyone is drawing one conclusion based off the available intel, and it's not the only conclusion that can be drawn, yet people act like it is. Tyreke being a worthless bum is one logical conclusion, but Dell deciding to wait until he can get better value for Tyreke is also a logical conclusion. There can be multiple logical conclusions! My frustrations is acting as if there is only one.

Dell has said in the past that he sees Tyreke as a small forward. We currently only have Solomon Hill healthy at SF, with QPon being a question mark. Is it possible that the guard depth doesn't impact Tyreke at all, because Dell views him as a SF ? Seems like another logical conclusion in the legitimate realm of possibility, right?

Again, yall might be absolutely correct in your conclusions. I have no problem being wrong. Just don't act like it's fait accompli and we already know this!

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

No. My entire point is this isn't logical at all.

Everything that has been said by everyone with "sources" is that the Pels are trying to move away from Tyreke. They are trying to trade Tyreke. They have thought about stretching Tyreke's contract.

Can you point to anything said by national or local writers either through print or on the Internet that supports your version at all?

When everyone else is saying something and you're saying the opposite, that's the definition of illogical.

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That's actually not the definition of illogical.

Most in the national media were saying KD would sign a 1+1 with OKC. Those saying he'd go to Warriors weren't being illogical.

Most said Lebron would never go back to Cleveland. I knew Lebron was going back to Cleveland because his wife is from Cleveland and was expecting their first baby girl. Ultimately happy wife, happy life, and she wanted to be back in Cleveland. Because I thought the opposite of what others thought, didn't mean it was illogical.

The Pelicans could very easily stretch Tyreke and have chosen not to. What does that tell you?
No reporter has sited sources saying the Pelicans are willing to dump Tyreke for nothing, nor has he been dumped for nothing. We've seen lesser players get dumped this year and in the past for nothing.

My version is that there is nothing happening with Tyreke, other than speculation. I can point to the lack of anything actually happening with Tyreke as proof.

Your version is that Tyreke is a worthless bum, but literally there is no proof that the Pelicans believe this. They DID NOT STRETCH HIM. They HAVE NOT TRADED HIM. In your mind, this is proof that he has no value to other teams in the league. But the assumption that people keep making (that they don't realize is an assumption) is that Dell was willing to accept nothing in return. No one, local or national, has reported this. That is a fact.

Maybe they want to trade him... but what good is trading if he cant pass a physical. No one is going to give up assets for damaged goods (he's still recovering with no definitive timetable)

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1) Do you see Tyreke resigning next year for under $12,000,000? I do not!
2) Are we going to win the title this year? I strongly doubt it!
3) That is why you shop him now. Maybe we get a buyer with a good big on a friendly contract, or a pick or 2. If we do not try again during the year because refer to #1 he is not resigning.
4) We have a better chance or resigning JRUE IMO!

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Maybe they want to trade him... but what good is trading if he cant pass a physical. No one is going to give up assets for damaged goods (he's still recovering with no definitive timetable)

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Last report I saw was that Tyreke would be ready for training camp. Has there been an update that says his health is worse than anyone thought or that he won't be ready? The damaged goods label gets thrown around, but I haven't seen any update that indicates this is fact.

Jeff Teague got traded for a first round draft pick under similar circumstances. He's expected to be ready by the start of the season after knee surgeries.

There is a misconception that a player must be healthy in order to be traded. All that needs to happen is that the team doctor examine a player's file and the player and for the team to be comfortable with whatever the doctor tells them.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Last report I saw was that Tyreke would be ready for training camp. Has there been an update that says his health is worse than anyone thought or that he won't be ready? The damaged goods label gets thrown around, but I haven't seen any update that indicates this is fact.

Jeff Teague got traded for a first round draft pick under similar circumstances. He's expected to be ready by the start of the season after knee surgeries.

There is a misconception that a player must be healthy in order to be traded. All that needs to happen is that the team doctor examine a player's file and the player and for the team to be comfortable with whatever the doctor tells them.

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Lets see when TC comes around

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

What you are saying is ultimately correct. That Tyreke is being shopped is the only educated assumption that can be made. We can speculate as to why he is being shopped, but the narrative does need to change that we are trying to dump him. (Or at least qualified as opinion) In the previous two situations that somewhat resemble Tyrekes, Dell attempted to trade the players for value and when that didn't work simply let them go in FA. That could just as easily be his ultimate resolution here, too.


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ding ding ding. winner winner chicken dinner.

This is literally the only point I've been trying to get across!! Yet people refuse to qualify their assumptions as opinions. That's what's wrong with the world today, lol!

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

That's actually not the definition of illogical.

Most in the national media were saying KD would sign a 1+1 with OKC. Those saying he'd go to Warriors weren't being illogical.

Most said Lebron would never go back to Cleveland. I knew Lebron was going back to Cleveland because his wife is from Cleveland and was expecting their first baby girl. Ultimately happy wife, happy life, and she wanted to be back in Cleveland. Because I thought the opposite of what others thought, didn't mean it was illogical.

The Pelicans could very easily stretch Tyreke and have chosen not to. What does that tell you?
No reporter has sited sources saying the Pelicans are willing to dump Tyreke for nothing, nor has he been dumped for nothing. We've seen lesser players get dumped this year and in the past for nothing.

My version is that there is nothing happening with Tyreke, other than speculation. I can point to the lack of anything actually happening with Tyreke as proof.

Your version is that Tyreke is a worthless bum, but literally there is no proof that the Pelicans believe this. They DID NOT STRETCH HIM. They HAVE NOT TRADED HIM. In your mind, this is proof that he has no value to other teams in the league. But the assumption that people keep making (that they don't realize is an assumption) is that Dell was willing to accept nothing in return. No one, local or national, has reported this. That is a fact.

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The very clear difference is KD actually met with the Warriors. It was "more likely" that he would resign with the Thunder but there was a possibility due to him meeting with the Warriors that he would go there. And reporters actually did report he was seriously considering them.

Lebron has serious ties to Cleveland and people reported it as a possibility. Again, this is in stark contrast to the Tyreke situation.

You ignoring evidence does not mean there is a lack of evidence. We even had an actual writer (who has sources) explaining multiple people with contacts are all saying the same thing. Tyreke is trying to be moved, there has even been discussion of stretching him. Instead of accepting this, you try to discredit the person because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Hiding behind, "You cannot prove what I'm saying is not true because the opposite hasn't happened." Is not a defense at all. That is how people claim Bigfoot is real, Aliens exist, heck there's even a group of people who still feel the earth is flat because they "can't see the curve of it".

To be clear my version is: Tyreke has had 3 knee surgeries in a year. He does not fit this team's play style. He is bad off of the bench. Whatever value Tyreke has is negated by these knee surgeries. Until Tyreke plays and shows he is healthy teams aren't willing to take a risk on him without us giving up something else of value or possibly taking back another negative asset.

This is backed up by numerous reporters, the players we have signed in free agency, our own Coach talking about our play style (which is opposite Tyreke's play style), and needing to trade front court depth instead of moving Tyreke at our deep guard position.

The *only* evidence you have is that you have none so "hey anything is possible". Where are the reporters saying Tyreke is in our plans? Where the reports saying Anything positive about Tyreke at all? There's nothing out there by the people who have connections. None.

This isn't an argument. This is you just blindly believing what you want while ignoring all the evidence to the contrary.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The very clear difference is KD actually met with the Warriors. It was "more likely" that he would resign with the Thunder but there was a possibility due to him meeting with the Warriors that he would go there. And reporters actually did report he was seriously considering them.

Lebron has serious ties to Cleveland and people reported it as a possibility. Again, this is in stark contrast to the Tyreke situation.

You ignoring evidence does not mean there is a lack of evidence. We even had an actual writer (who has sources) explaining multiple people with contacts are all saying the same thing. Tyreke is trying to be moved, there has even been discussion of stretching him. Instead of accepting this, you try to discredit the person because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Hiding behind, "You cannot prove what I'm saying is not true because the opposite hasn't happened." Is not a defense at all. That is how people claim Bigfoot is real, Aliens exist, heck there's even a group of people who still feel the earth is flat because they "can't see the curve of it".

To be clear my version is: Tyreke has had 3 knee surgeries in a year. He does not fit this team's play style. He is bad off of the bench. Whatever value Tyreke has is negated by these knee surgeries. Until Tyreke plays and shows he is healthy teams aren't willing to take a risk on him without us giving up something else of value or possibly taking back another negative asset.

This is backed up by numerous reporters, the players we have signed in free agency, our own Coach talking about our play style (which is opposite Tyreke's play style), and needing to trade front court depth instead of moving Tyreke at our deep guard position.

The *only* evidence you have is that you have none so "hey anything is possible". Where are the reporters saying Tyreke is in our plans? Where the reports saying Anything positive about Tyreke at all? There's nothing out there by the people who have connections. None.

This isn't an argument. This is you just blindly believing what you want while ignoring all the evidence to the contrary.

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Your comprehension is terrible. Seriously. I mean this is the nicest way. But it's just terrible.

Basically what you're saying is that there is not even the possibility that Dell is unwilling to dump Tyreke for nothing and that Tyreke isn't a worthless bum. Seems silly.

Also...

1. I've never tried to discredit anyone. Not sure where you drew that conclusion.

2. I don't have an agenda, other than getting people to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.

3. It was David Fisher who suggested I prove a negative. Your analogy about aliens should be applied to him, not me, lol. But clearly you're missing that.

3. Any rational person would say a 25 game sample size (without the benefit of training camp) is too small to definitively say whether or not Gentry can find a role for Tyreke. Dell had 4 years of evidence indicating what kind of player Tyreke was, and he showed up on his doorstep to sign him at midnight to be a key player in a system like this. This is the system Dell wanted to play when he signed Tyreke. The reason Monty was fired and Gentry was hired, was to run a system like this. Again, after 25 games with no training camp, I'm doubtful any rational person (hopefully Dell is rational) would draw a conclusion that went against everything they previously believed to be true.

4. Dude, we traded Luke Babbitt. An end of the bench guy who can be replaced. This team has made an obvious push to upgrade defensively, yet you're using the fact that we traded away Babbitt as proof that we couldn't move Tyreke. Maybe we traded Babbitt because he's a replacement level player that sucked on defense. Seriously, we're talking about Babbitt.

5. Dell has wanted to see Tyreke play SF. The guard depth, while it is entirely logical that it could make Tyreke expendable, could also allow Tyreke to play more at SF.

6. Show me reports of QPon, Cunningham, or Ajinca being explicitly in our plans. Anybody saying anything positive about those guys? Nope. But this doesn't mean that they don't have a role. Hell... the Pelicans haven't said anything about anybody! They haven't even introduced their free agent signings yet!

I'm not opposed to trading Tyreke. I'm not opposed to dumping Tyreke for nothing. Dell could decide to stretch him tomorrow. Tyreke could also be healthy for training camp (as reported) and contributing to this team the first month of the season before being traded for 2 second round picks. At this point everything is speculation, to act like it's not is silly. Your speculation is not fact, it's just an opinion.

But hey opinions are like ********, and you're allowed to be comfortable with yours no matter how leaky it is.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

ding ding ding. winner winner chicken dinner.

This is literally the only point I've been trying to get across!! Yet people refuse to qualify their assumptions as opinions. That's what's wrong with the world today, lol!

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I am not making an assumption or providing an opinion. You are.

The Pelicans have indeed shopped Tyreke, tried to dump him, and considered waiving and stretching him, which is less than dumping him. It's taking a ~$3 million cap hit for the next three seasons simply to be rid of him.

Really tired of arguing with Mythol. Anyone else want to talk about what Tyreke's role might be since, because as of now, he appears to be a part this team?

In GSW, it seemed like it was often Iggy or Draymond that initiated the offense, with both Klay and Steph coming off screens. When the Pelicans were doing draft workouts, I think both Buddy and Murray said the Pelicans had them coming off a lot of screens in their workouts. Jrue is also capable of playing off the ball.

Could Tyreke play significant minutes at the 3, and initiate the offense similarly to the way Iggy does?

He could do this either with the reserve unit or with the starting unit.

The Pelicans have accumulated depth, but considering they've been crushed by injuries and have several guys that have some ongoing level of concern, does it make since for them to keep their depth rather than trading away from a position that may now be viewed as a strength? I like the possibility of being 3 deep at multiple positions because of player versatility.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

I am not making an assumption or providing an opinion. You are.

The Pelicans have indeed shopped Tyreke, tried to dump him, and considered waiving and stretching him, which is less than dumping him. It's taking a ~$3 million cap hit for the next three seasons simply to be rid of him.

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Everytime I try to get out... they pull me back in!! Uggh.

The "tried to dump him" is literally the only part I object to, because that has never been reported ANYWHERE. Therefor it's an assumption. I don't doubt that the Pelicans have discussed numerous scenarios leading up to free agency, including stretching Tyreke. But even this is something there isn't any evidence to support calling it a fact.

I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE I AM EXPRESSING AN OPINION. Why can't you and other people do the same?!

There seems to be a serious lack of comprehension between what can be called a fact and what is speculative or opinion. And by God I guess I have to continue my crusade to liberate folks from the burden of this fallacy!

But I'd much rather just talk about what Tyreke's role is going to be since he's, you know, (obviously) still very much so a part of this team and expected to be healthy by training camp.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

I am not making an assumption or providing an opinion. You are.

The Pelicans have indeed shopped Tyreke, tried to dump him, and considered waiving and stretching him, which is less than dumping him. It's taking a ~$3 million cap hit for the next three seasons simply to be rid of him.

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Not question your info, just trying to understand the logic behind "waiving and stretching" him. Pel was filled with injury and bad contracts the last two years, still no one have been waived or stretched. Do we need his salary gone to sign a max superstar? Is he acting like a complete D bag to everyone? 11m is not that much right now even for injured player, what give?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Everytime I try to get out... they pull me back in!! Uggh.

The "tried to dump him" is literally the only part I object to, because that has never been reported ANYWHERE. Therefor it's an assumption. I don't doubt that the Pelicans have discussed numerous scenarios leading up to free agency, including stretching Tyreke. But even this is something there isn't any evidence to support calling it a fact.

I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE I AM EXPRESSING AN OPINION. Why can't you and other people do the same?!

There seems to be a serious lack of comprehension between what can be called a fact and what is speculative or opinion. And by God I guess I have to continue my crusade to liberate folks from the burden of this fallacy!

But I'd much rather just talk about what Tyreke's role is going to be since he's, you know, (obviously) still very much so a part of this team and expected to be healthy by training camp.

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How likely, in your opinion do you think it is that they have tried to get rid of him? If all your money was on "have they tried to dump Tyreke or not" which would you choose? Although you and I can't answer either with 100% certainty, when people with connections inside the organization are going to that extent, when Gentry has comments that seemed like jabs at Reke's decision-making, and after the direction the team seems to be taking, I think it is fairly clear what is happening. And many sources are told things in confidence, they might be told "Don't tell anyone that what the details to this trade are but..." so when they report everything short of "the team has tried to dump Reke" the reading between the lines definitely indicates those attempts.

It stinks because I really like a lot that Reke brings to the table and I think he can be a blast to watch (when he's not being infuriating), and as I said in another thread, I think (if healthy) he can be a really good player on a good team, but it is clear to me that isn't going to be in NOLA, unless he is forced to play here this year and ends up turning his career around.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

The "tried to dump him" is literally the only part I object to, because that has never been reported ANYWHERE.

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This is exactly where the issue is. You have a guy who has inside connections saying definitively that they have indeed tried to dump Tyreke and thought about stretching him because they could not find a taker. This very much matches up with Dawson is saying as well, as recently as 2 days ago.

You then have the ancillary evidence that supports the claims of the people with inside information such us as bringing in 2 new guards and keeping our RFA guard. The numerous reports of the Pels trying to trade Tyreke, the need to make a trade to fit Galloway (a guard) and instead of moving Tyreke we end up having to make our front court depth even thinner, and then the push for high character good defensive players.

Yet instead of accepting all of this overwhelming information, you continue to try and find a loophole out or deny it outright, hiding behind needing someone to say "per sources" for it to be real. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This is exactly where the issue is. You have a guy who has inside connections saying definitively that they have indeed tried to dump Tyreke and thought about stretching him because they could not find a taker. This very much matches up with Dawson is saying as well, as recently as 2 days ago.

You then have the ancillary evidence that supports the claims of the people with inside information such us as bringing in 2 new guards and keeping our RFA guard. The numerous reports of the Pels trying to trade Tyreke, the need to make a trade to fit Galloway (a guard) and instead of moving Tyreke we end up having to make our front court depth even thinner, and then the push for high character good defensive players.

Yet instead of accepting all of this overwhelming information, you continue to try and find a loophole out or deny it outright, hiding behind needing someone to say "per sources" for it to be real. Lol.

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This is why I say your comprehension is off. At no point did Fisher (who has fewer twitter followers than me, and has never claimed a Pelicans source told him any of this) say that they tried to dump Tyreke and thought about stretching him because they couldn't find any takers). Like you, Fisher cited other people who claim to have source, one of which is Dawson, who never said he got this info from a source. It was presented on twitter as "informed speculation" by Dawson, which is something different from sourced information that can be published as news by the entity that pays him, and something entirely different from what is called a FACT. Dawson also never said the discussion about stretching Tyreke was a direct result of a failure to be able to dump him. You are again, drawing conclusions.

Just because you keep referencing numerous reports of the Pels trying to trade Tyreke in order to fit Galloway, isn't going to make them magically appear on the internet. They don't exist.

I don't need it to say "per sources" to be real. I just need a reporter (with Pelicans sources) to say the Pelicans have tried to dump Tyreke for cap space, and no one would take him. You think that's what you've read, but literally every tweet you've quoted has not said that. That's why I question your comprehension!

I've already said that you are drawing what may be a very logical conclusion from the tweets you've quoted. But it's still just you drawing a conclusion and expressing an opinion until someone reports that Tyreke was offered to clubs for no value in return and Dell was turned down. It is a FACT that no one is reporting that.

My opinion on Tyreke is: his recurring knee injuries make it almost certain he will be on the team to begin the season (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, considering his experience and skill-set). I share the opinion of others that he will be cast in the Iggy 6th man role (if healthy). I wonder if his injury is worse than we think. In worst case scenario, he has an expiring contract, this will give us valuable cap space to sign free agents next summer. If I was GM, I would try to package Anjica & Cunningham in a trade for a post player (Kosta Koufos). I like Cunningham, but I think his role on this team has been replaced by Solo. A Zeller, TRob, or TJones signing would also be nice.

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Originally Posted by Jabberwalker

How likely, in your opinion do you think it is that they have tried to get rid of him? If all your money was on "have they tried to dump Tyreke or not" which would you choose? Although you and I can't answer either with 100% certainty, when people with connections inside the organization are going to that extent, when Gentry has comments that seemed like jabs at Reke's decision-making, and after the direction the team seems to be taking, I think it is fairly clear what is happening. And many sources are told things in confidence, they might be told "Don't tell anyone that what the details to this trade are but..." so when they report everything short of "the team has tried to dump Reke" the reading between the lines definitely indicates those attempts.

It stinks because I really like a lot that Reke brings to the table and I think he can be a blast to watch (when he's not being infuriating), and as I said in another thread, I think (if healthy) he can be a really good player on a good team, but it is clear to me that isn't going to be in NOLA, unless he is forced to play here this year and ends up turning his career around.

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I know lots of reporters. Hell, I've been a source!

If a source tells you don't report anything, you certainly don't go on twitter and infer it. I think people are drawing conclusions that are fine to draw, but then stating them as fact.

I think Dell signed everyone he has hoped to sign in free agency, given the craziness of the market, and the stated goals to get hard working players and get better defensively. I believe knowing teams would have a lot of cap space, Dell has shopped Tyreke because he is potentially a very productive player on a now relatively discounted contract, especially for teams that want to remain flexible for 2017. Dell probably did not find the value he hoped to find, and therefor Tyreke is still on the roster. I don't believe for a second that Dell was ever going to dump Tyreke in order to retain Babbitt and Douglas.

I think players that are coming off of surgeries and aren't currently healthy get traded, so the idea that Tyreke is damaged goods seems like it's probably not true if he's still on track for training camp. See Teague, Jeff -recently traded for a 1st round pick coming off of knee surgery and still not cleared to play.

I think (because this is what Dell said 2 years ago) that Dell invisions Tyreke playing SF for significant minutes. If that is the case, especially considering QPon is coming off of injury, and Hill is expected to log some minutes as a small ball 4, I believe there is a perfect Tyreke Evans size hole at the SF position at the beginning of the season. If you view Reke as a SF, the guard depth doesn't effect him. Dell has said he views Reke as a SF.

These are all just my opinions. Speculation based off of what Dell has actually said publicly in the past, what we know about Dell being willing to dump an asset for nothing, and what reporters have actually tweeted.

If I had to bet all my money, I'd ask my wife first, then bet on Dell not trying to dump Tyreke for pennies on the dollar. That is antithetical to what we know about Dell. Is it possible? Hell yes! But again, until it's reported or it happens, it's just speculation!

And I also think, again, that 25 games is too small a sample size to believe that Gentry believes he can't make it work with Tyreke, at least in the short term. I think it's likely they move him at some point this season if for no other reason than he is expiring and they won't bring him back. But I think he will either be moved for something of value (we can debate the value of 2nd round picks) or he will be allowed to play out the season and expire.

I think Tyreke starts at the SG to start the season, moves to backup PG when Buddy get acclimated but covers SF on Defense. My opinion is they want to move Tyreke but in my OPINION they wouldn't just cut or stretch him. He'll be on the team all year if he stays unhealthy and he'll be moved if he gets healthy. How well he plays will determine the value we get for him.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I think Tyreke starts at the SG to start the season, moves to backup PG when Buddy get acclimated but covers SF on Defense. My opinion is they want to move Tyreke but in my OPINION they wouldn't just cut or stretch him. He'll be on the team all year if he stays unhealthy and he'll be moved if he gets healthy. How well he plays will determine the value we get for him.

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Heck, I just hope Evans starts the season on the court. Some things I have heard make me nervous whether he will be ready. Time will tell.

For someone who continually questions my comprehension, you seem to be unable to actually comprehend what Fisher said, even after quoting his posts previously.

You say Fisher is not directly referencing sources, yet in post #221 he specifically mentions that his information about waiving and stretching Tyreke's contract is from a source. Not only that but BSS/Mason has also said the same thing in the past (again Fisher mentions this in his post and it's easy to find on Twitter).

Everything else you've said, as you've clearly stated, is speculation and is irrelevant to the point at hand.

The fact is Tyreke has been discussed being waived and stretched according to "sources" (read post #221 again). We also have Brett Dawson come out with his, "informed speculation" that the Pels could find no takers for Tyreke. That it wasn't a value issue, they just couldn't plain find anyone to make a trade with. We also have Fisher again in post #235 confirming the team tried to dump him and thought about stretching his contract out. He even clarified that he isn't making an assumption or providing an (his) opinion.

I simply fail to see how this is unclear to you.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

For someone who continually questions my comprehension, you seem to be unable to actually comprehend what Fisher said, even after quoting his posts previously.

You say Fisher is not directly referencing sources, yet in post #221 he specifically mentions that his information about waiving and stretching Tyreke's contract is from a source. Not only that but BSS/Mason has also said the same thing in the past (again Fisher mentions this in his post and it's easy to find on Twitter).

Everything else you've said, as you've clearly stated, is speculation and is irrelevant to the point at hand.

The fact is Tyreke has been discussed being waived and stretched according to "sources" (read post #221 again). We also have Brett Dawson come out with his, "informed speculation" that the Pels could find no takers for Tyreke. That it wasn't a value issue, they just couldn't plain find anyone to make a trade with. We also have Fisher again in post #235 confirming the team tried to dump him and thought about stretching his contract out. He even clarified that he isn't making an assumption or providing an (his) opinion.

I simply fail to see how this is unclear to you.

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Fishers sources for this tidbit, according to post #221, are other bloggers and writers, not directly anyone within the Pelicans organization. I'm not discrediting Fisher, but I'm also not putting all my stock in his information, since it doesn't come directly from anyone inside the team. The Bird Writes, doesn't break news. It's only a very useful fan blog, like BSS.

This is exactly what Dawson tweeted, in order:

My guess: Don’t hold your breath on a Tyreke Evans trade. Might be something to revisit if he’s healthy at some point during the season.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) July 10, 2016

I also don’t think there’s much chance the Pelicans will stretch Evans. Don’t doubt that there was at least discussion of it at some point.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) July 10, 2016

Keep in mind that I said “My guess.” None of this is to say an Evans trade absolutely can’t happen. I’m confident Pelicans have shopped him.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) July 10, 2016

I just don’t think at this point there are a lot of takers. Evans might need to play again before the Pelicans can find a buyer.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) July 10, 2016

...this is what is called SPECULATION. Can't help you if you read it a different way. Agree to disagree and happy to move on.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Fishers sources for this tidbit, according to post #221, are other bloggers and writers, not directly anyone within the Pelicans organization. I'm not discrediting Fisher, but I'm also not putting all my stock in his information, since it doesn't come directly from anyone inside the team.

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What? No, he specifically says "through our sources". How much clearer does he have to be? Geez.

Gentry says he had a “small sample size” with Tyreke Evans in this offense, and notes Evans didn’t go through training camp healthy.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) April 14, 2016

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

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And I also think, again, that 25 games is too small a sample size to believe that Gentry believes he can't make it work with Tyreke, at least in the short term. I think it's likely they move him at some point this season if for no other reason than he is expiring and they won't bring him back. But I think he will either be moved for something of value (we can debate the value of 2nd round picks) or he will be allowed to play out the season and expire.

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This is how you use twitter properly to draw a conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

What? No, he specifically says "through our sources". How much clearer does he have to be? Geez.

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Comprehension my friend.

He cites his own blog, another fan blog, and Brad Dawson, but he never cites sources within the Pelicans for this particular nugget of information. He cites other people who have contacts within the organization. Having contacts within the organization (as Dawson does), doesn't preclude you from speculating (as Dawson does), while simultaneously not citing sources for the item to which you are speculating about.

Nuance is apparently lost on some.

Sorry but you can't win this, so let's just drop it. No one cites sources within the Pelicans saying they tried to dump Tyreke for nothing. In the twitter string in which Dawson discusses this he always prefaces with "I think" or makes sure to emphasize that he is guessing. This is his attempt to make sure people know the distinction between reporting and just talking out loud, a line which gets blurred in the twitter age.

Rumors used to get started based on what Bill Simmons would say or tweet or write as well, even when he tried to make it clear that he wasn't actually reporting.

If David Fisher is going to break news, that the Pelicans considered stretching Tyreke and have been unable to dump Tyreke for nothing in return, he needs to be much, much, clearer. That is the journalistic standard, which is why Dawson was very clear, IMO, in stating he was just guessing at this.