Pelicans & Asik are talking new deal (deal is done-- 5/60)

Centers are way overpaid in the NBA .

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Originally Posted by moon54

It's very risky to give eastern european players huge long contracts . After getting their big paychecks , they don't practice/work/hustle and play hustle . They get injured a lot . We have plenty of examples . Only a few maintainted their playing level .

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Ok. :lol:

Oh god i'd lost that pearl. Good thing that asik is not from eastern europe then.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Oh god i'd lost that pearl. Good thing that asik is not from eastern europe then.

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While I know where you are going with this, asik is actually from eastern europe being that turkey is considered euraisa and the minority of the country is in europe. So his asinine statement does have some validity.
Edit I see he is from bursa. Strictly in Asia.

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Originally Posted by tthier2

While I know where you are going with this, asik is actually from eastern europe being that turkey is considered euraisa and the minority of the country is in europe. So his asinine statement does have some validity.
Edit I see he is from bursa. Strictly in Asia.

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Yep. And in truth, it really matters little even if he was born in istanbul. From pretty much every point of view except, partly, a geographic one, turkey is european about as much as lebanon is

We didn't overpay. The deal is basically 11.25mil per year. Tyson Chandler who is 4 years older got 13mil per year. The only thing you can really be upset about here is the length of the deal. My ideal contract structure was a 3 year deal with a TO for the 3rd year, pretty much giving us flexibility sooner with him only guaranteed to be here for 2 seasons. So now its an extra 2 years to that. Again not upset at the price, especially with the cap increase, but get used to Asik being around; he won't be going anywhere for a while. Also scratches a need for next offseason off the list. Going all in for SF or SG summer 2016.

Lol, people are disappointed and a C- for a starting caliber C with a high rebounding rate? I'd like to see a better deal for a similar big man.

Tyson Chandler just got 4/$52 and will be 33 when the contract starts. ($13/year).
Brook Lopez just go 3/$60 and, while good, is not a team center piece of a winning team and has injury issues. ($20/year).
Tristan Thompson just got 5/$80. ($16/year).
Deandre Jordan is about to get a max deal...
Greg Monroe is about to get a max deal...

Those are just the 'big man' deals. Each year, the market increases. People can say what they want about any of the above-mentioned players, but none is a world-beater or even a second option on a winning team.

Asik at essentially $11/year is bad? No way. A guy that literally only does the dirty work. People really just don't like his demeanor because he's a very solid player and this is a great signing. He also allows your superstar to play in his natural position. Not to mention you have a decent size expiring going into AD's last years if you need to make a move. I'd be curious as to who anyone thinks would be able to fill this role as good as Asik for less money than this given the contracts that have been thrown around so far...?

...especially with no cap left for the center apart from MLE

Tristan thompson got 16 mil a year? Wow

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tristan thompson got 16 mil a year? Wow

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At least:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...-thompson-deal

That's what I'm saying. People can gush over him as much as they want, but the guy averaged 8/8. Asik's deal is more than fair.

Gentry must feel like he will fit in his system. I'll trust them. 11.25 mil will look like a bargain going into next year when cap goes up.

Considering Tyson Chandler's 4/$52, 4/$44 isn't bad for Asik. Chandler is better, but also 4 years older.

This doesn't really jeopardize FA next year either. If a guy like Durant wants to come here, Tyreke will be easy to move.

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Originally Posted by greewe

Considering Tyson Chandler's 4/$52, 4/$44 isn't bad for Asik. Chandler is better, but also 4 years older.

This doesn't really jeopardize FA next year either. If a guy like Durant wants to come here, Tyreke will be easy to move.

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Tyson is better, so are the others, but at the end of the day, per 40:

Player A: 13.5 /15.1
Player B: 12.6/12.0
Player C: 13.4/17.4
Player D: 11.2/15.1

Asik is Player D, and Players A, B, and C are all making more than him (B and C will make at least 50% more). Asik also happens to have a higher rebounding rate than both Thompson and Chandler. I think sometimes people get enamored by the style of play rather than the actual play. Not to mention that, as stats don't show, Asik is a smart help defender and very low maintenance. But again, the much larger question is 'who is/was the alternative?' Unless there is a great answer to that question that I am not thinking of, I don't understand how people can be disappointed or how this can be a 'C-' deal given the current state of the FA market.

I'll take it. Not big on Asik but I think with all else considered, it's a decent deal. B-

Yeah I'd say B great B- at the worst.

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Originally Posted by Hornets2013

I'll take it. Not big on Asik but I think with all else considered, it's a decent deal. B-

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Yeah I'd say B great B- at the worst.

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I agree with that. The deals the Spurs have struck would be 'A' status.

Can someone do a 2016 free agents piece?

Welcome back Asik. I love how almost all of the NOLA media ripped Dell when he traded for Asik saying it's only worth it if he can lock him up long term. Now he locks him up long term and everyone complains about that. NOLA media know so much about basketball, one of the first questions they asked when we introduced Asik was if Dell would give him an extension. Dell had to explain how basketball contracts work.

In this market, everyone is getting paid. Teams are spending and it may look like we bid against ourselves, but I'd bet Asik would have gotten interest from another team left at the alter of another free agent. This move is and always will be about AD though. He wants/needs someone to handle the other bigs in this league. We all want AD to play more center, but he doesn't want or need to go up against bigs every night. With Asik and Ajinca's 6 fouls, they can take care of the bigs on most nights.

I was dead on for 4yr 10-12 per, where is my prize?

Good deal we need him, now go get Cole/DC + one more ball handler with size.

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Originally Posted by greewe

Considering Tyson Chandler's 4/$52, 4/$44 isn't bad for Asik. Chandler is better, but also 4 years older.

This doesn't really jeopardize FA next year either. If a guy like Durant wants to come here, Tyreke will be easy to move.

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Here's my thing. Another possibly bad deal doesn't make our bad deal better - and I see many justifying it by pointing out other deals.

Again, I don't think it is a terrible deal, but in all honesty, do people think there was another team out there offering 4/42 that we had to top? Obviously, none of us can know, but what does your gut tell you?

I just think that with patience, Dell could have secured a shorter deal, maybe even for less annually. Again, I can't know but we are all just posting our opinions here.

What is done is done, and I do still think Asik can live up to the value of this contract, but I can not agree that we paid market value of him at this current point because I simply do not believe he had any similar offers out there. That is my issue, and it can't be proven or disproven, but it is my one issue with this deal.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Here's my thing. Another possibly bad deal doesn't make our bad deal better - and I see many justifying it by pointing out other deals.

Again, I don't think it is a terrible deal, but in all honesty, do people think there was another team out there offering 4/42 that we had to top? Obviously, none of us can know, but what does your gut tell you?

I just think that with patience, Dell could have secured a shorter deal, maybe even for less annually. Again, I can't know but we are all just posting our opinions here.

What is done is done, and I do still think Asik can live up to the value of this contract, but I can not agree that we paid market value of him at this current point because I simply do not believe he had any similar offers out there. That is my issue, and it can't be proven or disproven, but it is my one issue with this deal.

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This is really my only disappointment in it. It would make me feel a lot better if I heard of another team that was making a run at him.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Here's my thing. Another possibly bad deal doesn't make our bad deal better - and I see many justifying it by pointing out other deals.

Again, I don't think it is a terrible deal, but in all honesty, do people think there was another team out there offering 4/42 that we had to top? Obviously, none of us can know, but what does your gut tell you?

I just think that with patience, Dell could have secured a shorter deal, maybe even for less annually. Again, I can't know but we are all just posting our opinions here.

What is done is done, and I do still think Asik can live up to the value of this contract, but I can not agree that we paid market value of him at this current point because I simply do not believe he had any similar offers out there. That is my issue, and it can't be proven or disproven, but it is my one issue with this deal.

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Chandler's deal isn't one bad deal. There are several listed above and more to come in the next few days. That's not a "bad deal," that's called the market. Asik got fair market value.

Additionally, there is also something to be said for dealing with players in a fair manner. Is it really worth it to shave a million a year off and run the risk of ticking a guy off and having him begin to solicit deals? You've said over 100 times leading up to this deal that there is simply no reasonable alternative that doesn't cause us to take a big step back that we can afford. If that remains true, how can you justify a C- grade? Unless we see another comparable big man making cheaper, I don't think that's a fair assessment. Not to mention, the only shorter deal is for a guy who is 4 years older than Asik.

"sarcasm on" Soooo.. we get to see Asik fumble away layups and dunks for the bargain price of 5/60? We get to see 4 on 5 on offense for that price also? Finally to not see him in the game in the fourth quarters most nights and in the the playoffs? Great! sign me up. "sarcasm off"

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

This is really my only disappointment in it. It would make me feel a lot better if I heard of another team that was making a run at him.

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Yeah, and maybe they were. But with RoLo, Koufos, Monroe, etc. still on the market, I don't believe Asik was atop anybody's list - and definitely not for that money.

Now, this could have been a combo deal to appease AD (same agent) or Dell was scared to risk it for some other reason. But I just feel a master negotiator plays this differently and comes out with a better deal. Again, I am not saying F, just C- because I think it is below what the average expected outcome should have been.

You know that video of AD hitting corner 3's going around? What ya'll didn't see is version 2.0 with Asik nailing the corner 3 at an even better rate. Look out, Asik got game!