Norris Cole to Pels

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Dell is here, our offseason is predictable IMO - keep everyone, sign a wing like Jared Dudley

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Although that makes sense, why is that predictable? We thought he would do that last offseason and he chose to anoint Evans as our SF.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Isn't it very possible we have some nice pieces next year? Perkins was a bad chip last year, a valuable one this year. Chips change. Once we give Hou our pick this year, we will also be able to give up future picks again.

From my POV, the second this season ends we no longer have any negative chips. Just positive ones. And possibly really good ones if Gordon and Ryno play well in these final 29 games/continue to get healthier.

Patience. AD is 21, not 28. This is just the beginning of the run with him, not the end.

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Well said bro

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Patience. AD is 21, not 28. This is just the beginning of the run with him, not the end.

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I don't think anyone is worried about AD somehow declining in the next few years, but instead that he'll get tired of the ineptitude of the management, coaching, and (apparently) medical staff.

Can you see him being a Pel his whole career? I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

Can you see him being a Pel his whole career? I don't know.

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If we aren't very good and contending by 2019, then no. But that is 20 freaking 19. The panic at the beginning of 2015 is a little early. Thats all I am saying.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If we aren't very good and contending by 2019, then no. But that is 20 freaking 19. The panic at the beginning of 2015 is a little early. Thats all I am saying.

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How badly do we need to screw it up for that to happen? With AD in his prime how bad would the team around him have to be for us not to be at least the 4th or 5th seed? Unless Jrue's injury is truely chronic, which I will admit I am a little worried about, I just don't see it.

Back to the topic - Norris Cole.

It is easy to pick apart his shooting numbers, especially this year. But here's my point:

When you are bringing in a guy, you should focus on the numbers of the things he will be asked to do. He will be asked to play on-ball defense and be a facilitator. He excels in those two areas, either by eye test or numbers. He will effect 25-40 overall possessions per game when you combine both ends of the court. He might take 4 shots. If we use his scoring numbers as a gauge, then him going 2-4 would make him a god and 1-4 makes him a scrub.

Does that make sense to anyone? That is one shot, one possession over the course of an entire game. Or one out of his 40 possessions. Is that really the difference between him being a god or a scrub? Of course not.

If we were asking him to come in and be a scorer off the bench, his shooting numbers would scare me. But his streaky shooting worries me about as much as Drew Brees tackling form.

Must read piece on Cole's defense

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...cole-invasion/

How about we watch cole play a couple games for the pels before we judge him? A different scenery/role can do wonders for a player. Look at QPon for example, he barely got off the bench for memphis comes here plays big minutes and excels. I know stats and analytics say one thing, but a new system, better team, and different role on the team can change all of those stats. We have watched Jimmer so we know what he can do in a pels uniform.


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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Must read piece on Cole's defense

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...cole-invasion/

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Very encouraging. That kind of defense from PG would have come in very handy when Russell Westbrook was lighting us up for north of 40.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Back to the topic - Norris Cole.

It is easy to pick apart his shooting numbers, especially this year. But here's my point:

When you are bringing in a guy, you should focus on the numbers of the things he will be asked to do. He will be asked to play on-ball defense and be a facilitator. He excels in those two areas, either by eye test or numbers. He will effect 25-40 overall possessions per game when you combine both ends of the court. He might take 4 shots. If we use his scoring numbers as a gauge, then him going 2-4 would make him a god and 1-4 makes him a scrub.

Does that make sense to anyone? That is one shot, one possession over the course of an entire game. Or one out of his 40 possessions. Is that really the difference between him being a god or a scrub? Of course not.

If we were asking him to come in and be a scorer off the bench, his shooting numbers would scare me. But his streaky shooting worries me about as much as Drew Brees tackling form.

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The trade is a "win" for me considering we gave up basically just a contract. Salmons was useless as a player. If Cole contributes even just on defense, he is an improvement over Salmons.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Must read piece on Cole's defense

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...cole-invasion/

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That article has me excited about what he can bring. Glad he is playing for a new contract also. Since, we obviously have a good shooting coach, i hope his shooting improves. Even if it improves a little, this could be one of Dell's best trades IMO.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Must read piece on Cole's defense

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...cole-invasion/

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High praise from Shane Battier. I hope Norris can come in and have a shooting revival similar to QPon. If he can get back to ~35% from 3 and keep up his intense defense; he will be a massive upgrade at back up guard.

So it sounds like out of the trade we are keeping Cole and Hamilton right?

Oops. Double post.

Will we see his Flat top tonight against Orlando ?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Must read piece on Cole's defense

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...cole-invasion/

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That's awesome. I really liked Toney Douglas' pressure on the ball too. Would have liked to keep him as well but we'd have too many guards. but the pressure those 2 can provide would be fun to watch.

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Originally Posted by Delko

Will we see his Flat top tonight against Orlando ?

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I hope so. It's not like he has to fly too far away :hihi:

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So it sounds like out of the trade we are keeping Cole and Hamilton right?

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Williams is listed on the roster at the Pelicans website too.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So it sounds like out of the trade we are keeping Cole and Hamilton right?

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Williams is listed on the roster at the Pelicans website too.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Wait are you trying to tell me chalmers is worse than jimmer? .. If jimmer was on miami they wouldn't have won a championship

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No... that's not at all what i said. The point was that Chalmers "started" on that squad, and played almost 30 minutes a game. MM made the case that Jimmer gets no significant back-up minutes at all on a Championship squad. Those are both very different things...

The hate on Jimmer on this board has gone too far - provoked by one major troll who was since banned. MM admitted as much on twitter yesterday that he unfairly dislike's Jimmer because of his fans (https://twitter.com/McNamara247/stat...21948311195649). Now I give him a break, because in his role, I bet he gets a lot of more that through twitter... but seriously.

But going back to the Heat, in 2012, Norris Cole played almost 20 minutes a game for them, shooting 39% (28% from 3), and 2 assists / .7 steals.

Not trying to argue who is better than who, just looking for some more explanation on MM's original point.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This much is clear. AD is 21. This is just the start. The Pels will not have one negative asset on this roster going into next year. Will have rights to their own picks after June. So, they have a chance to restart or adjust if they would like. This team is not weighed down by terrible contracts with no picks of their own like the Nets. They have the hardest piece to acquire - the mega star. The story is far from written. Drawing conclusions right now is getting far too ahead of ourselves.

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I think people here are worried about becoming the Kings (not me I know/see the direction we are going and loving it minus the injuries). The Kings has Cousins who has been putting up numbers and isn't a mega star but comes close to being a super star when he puts his mind and matures in the art of basketball. But we are in no way shape or form going to stay where we are like the Kings have for years. We have the right staff and fan base to skyrocket us into conference finals talks in 2 or 3 years. Great info you throw out on here man. Thanks for knowledgeable constructive input.

The Jimmer fans are annoying, but if he was playing well I wouldn't care. My evaluation of him as a player has nothing to do with his fans. They have to do with his play, which is not good and is clearly inferior to Cole when you consider all aspects of the game.

If you're a smart basketball fan you never, ever say no to a defensive upgrade at PG when all you have to give up is Salmons...

Wonderful.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Williams is listed on the roster at the Pelicans website too.

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Probably going to take a day or 2 to become official.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

If you're a smart basketball fan you never, ever say no to a defensive upgrade at PG when all you have to give up is Salmons...

Wonderful.

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