Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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MM - Ryno & AD together doesn't sound like the end game Monty has in mind. I remember a post (or a tweet, not sure) about the dichotomy of Dell's vision vs. Monty's. Ryno/AD is circa 2014 Spurs and Embiid/Vonleh paired with AD seems like the '99 Spurs. IF Ryno is moved to ultimately land a "5" in the mold of Monty's ideal model, that would suggest that Monty has some teeth within the organization.

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Would I trade Gordon for Gay? Of course, Gay is a better player and isn't injury prone. But they would never do that, would I give up Gordon and a 1st for Gay? IDK, every team gay has ever left has gotten better.

tyreke
jrue
gay
ryno
davis

we def won't have a problem scoring the ball.

What's all this stuff about the PELICANS trading Holiday? If they did trade him who would be our starting pg?


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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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This was very well said by the way:)

But consider, is it possible Dell was as sincere as hell when he explained what the organization was looking for and the desired, subsequent age-range; but since this proclamation he has in fact- Simply Changed His Mind? Perhaps after talks with Monty and others or even our club's performance or more likely (what I think)

He looked at this year's draft and the free-agent market and came to the conclusion that he could get a better SF from the draft

than he could get through free agency considering how much cap room we have in addition to having two holes to fis in SF and CENTER



here's where I get loopy:
once he started studying these small forwards... is when genius came through and he decided to rolll to quote "99 spurs style"

jrue
morrow
ariza
Noah Vonleh
AD


say what yal want, but if the world wants to let Noah Vonleh slip to 6-8 we should move on in. period.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Would I trade Gordon for Gay? Of course, Gay is a better player and isn't injury prone. But they would never do that, would I give up Gordon and a 1st for Gay? IDK, every team gay has ever left has gotten better.

tyreke
jrue
gay
ryno
davis

we def won't have a problem scoring the ball.

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I wish we could trade Gordon for Gay but KINGS probably wouldn't do that. Gordon to PACERS would be a great idea though.



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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mbck5ln

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Best i got. Sorry. I'll see myself out.:(

Send Ryan Anderson, Pierre Jackson, and 2015 and 2016 top 5 protected 1st round picks for the 2nd pick to HOPEFULLY select Jabari Parker!!!!!


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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Would I trade jrue for a top 5 pick? Only if I could land one of the top 3 of embiid wiggins or Parker. Besides that no, I wouldn't give him up for vonleh or exum. would I trade tyreke for a top 12 pick? If I could land levine or vonleh yes if not no

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Sheeeeet I'd give up holiday for exum in the blink of an eye. You're sleeping on exum big time.

Or send Jrue, Anderson, and 2015 1st round too 5 protected pick AND a 2016 top 8 protected pick for the 2nd pick of this draft to select Jabari Parker


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Carmelo Anthony is a poor man's Jabari Parker.


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i reckon Ryno gets dealt for the Kings 8th pick.. i can so see it happening, and we select Aaron Gordon.

Why wouldn't kings do it.. they would have the best Big man combo in the league.

And it helps us free salary and the overload at the PF position, to sign possibly hayward.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Or send Jrue, Anderson, and 2015 1st round too 5 protected pick AND a 2016 top 8 protected pick for the 2nd pick of this draft to select Jabari Parker


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Protected picks don't work like that broski...

I think we'll trade Gordon for Monroe right away.... We'll have to do what it takes. If we make that trade happen I say we take a risk and try to do what we can to land Jabari Parker. He is the best SF to enter the league in years. If we pull that off we will have more cap space and can add experienced bench players and team players.


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It would have to be a 2017 protected pick.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

What's all this stuff about the PELICANS trading Holiday? If they did trade him who would be our starting pg?


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tyreke, but we aren't trading jrue.

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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Originally Posted by JunkHead

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mbck5ln

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Best i got. Sorry. I'll see myself out.:(

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LMAO I'll tell you what, if you would take last year's team and pulled off this trade ......we would be a wicked offense.

but i still think getting rudy gay would be just the first move

cause im under the impression that getting a quality center is the only way to get AD to resign with us

jrue
tyreke
rudy gay
ryan anderson
anthony davis

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I think we'll trade Gordon for Monroe right away.... We'll have to do what it takes. If we make that trade happen I say we take a risk and try to do what we can to land Jabari Parker. He is the best SF to enter the league in years. If we pull that off we will have more cap space and can add experienced bench players and team players.


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Very good possibility, Dell said he doesn't want to have to give up ryno or a 1st but in order to move gordon, who is handicapping this team so bad right now that he might have to.

sign and trade for monroe then sign pj tucker.

tyreke
jrue
pj tucker
ad
monroe

the team would be better, tucker is a better fit than gordon and monroe is better than ryno. What i would really want is to find a way to get rid of gordon and sign parsons or hayward but it won't happen

tyreke
jrue
parsons or hayward
ryno
davis

i love that team.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

LMAO I'll tell you what, if you would take last year's team and pulled off this trade ......we would be a wicked offense.

but i still think getting rudy gay would be just the first move

cause im under the impression that getting a quality center is the only way to get AD to resign with us

jrue
tyreke
rudy gay
ryan anderson
anthony davis

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I wouldn't worry about AD resigning, idk if any player has ever turned down a 5 year max contract, regardless of who he plays for.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

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I would love for that to happen, but it won't the kings aren't getting anything, they are getting a worse player than rudy gay in eric gordon, on a longer contract, we would have to throw in a 1st IMO.

Something I did consider though

Ryno, Gordon, PJax
for Gay and their #8 pick

doubt that do that either, but they need a PF.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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Enough to send this board into a frenzy

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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I think you think this is true. About Dell's philosophy. But we really have no evidence that this is always true.

Think about it this way, we know for a fact that Dell will trade a draft choice for a young vet if there isn't a rookie he really like and believes in. We don't know what Dell will do of there is a rookie he really likes that he thinks is an ideal long term roster fit.

Last years draft was historically bad. We can't use the Jrue trade as evidence and say that's what Dell's philosophy always is.

If Dell was in a position to draft Wiggins, Embiid, or Parker and put them next to Davis, we'd expect him to draft a rookie. Maybe there is a player, Vonleh perhaps, that Dell really, really likes.

Like I said, we have no evidence that Dell is anti-rookie. Only the single sample of the Jrue trade

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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4-6

Everyone thought Jrue was untouchable, but we got him.

I still wonder if there is a chance we could do a sign and trade for parsons or gordon hayward, like ryno and a 1st, you never know, then sign blatche.

tyreke
jrue
parsons/hayward
ad
blatche