New Orleans Pelicans NBA Trade Deadline Rumor Mill

I think we may be in need of some new leadership from top to bottom.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I think we may be in need of some new leadership from top to bottom.

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Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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I understand that and what I'm saying it's not 100% based on the rumors now. It's a lot of things combined now over the last 2 years from trades to draft picks to contracts. Lots of bad moves have been made. Have some good ones been made? Sure but so did the cavs gm. It just feels like a fresh start is needed in the front office and the bench. I'll always support whoever is currently here but time is def running out. When I say running out I mean results are needed by next year.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I dont think we have to knock Asik to build up Evans. One might be more valuable on this team, but it wouldn't be a huge difference either way. Asik is more than "just a defender" and his contract is not horrible per cap purposes. Yes, Benson has to pay a huge sum, but he only counts for 8.3 mil against the cap, and he was a 12+ million dollar player production wise last year IMO.

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How much was he worth every other year in the league? He has had one good offensive season. He is really, just a defender/rebounder. And come on, comparing his BEST offensive season he was still nowhere near as good offensively as Chandler. He is a career 5-7-0 guy on an 8m/yr contract.

Would I take him? Yes because we are so thin at center. Would I give up any or our core 4 for him? No.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Give me an honest answer here. Where do u rank dell out of 32 gms in the league? Based on all his work he's done here in the last 3 years.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I understand that and what I'm saying it's not 100% based on the rumors now. It's a lot of things combined now over the last 2 years from trades to draft picks to contracts. Lots of bad moves have been made. Have some good ones been made? Sure but so did the cavs gm. It just feels like a fresh start is needed in the front office and the bench. I'll always support whoever is currently here but time is def running out. When I say running out I mean results are needed by next year.

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Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

I'd love to have Asik here. For tyreke tho? No thank you

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Agreed! You never know what Dell has planned!

Can we please just trade gordon for an expiring and sign gordon hayward in the off-season

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'd love to have Asik here. For tyreke tho? No thank you

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Give me an honest answer here. Where do u rank dell out of 32 gms in the league? Based on all his work he's done here in the last 3 years.

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Somewhere around 12


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Originally Posted by Mythrol

How much was he worth every other year in the league? He has had one good offensive season. He is really, just a defender/rebounder. And come on, comparing his BEST offensive season he was still nowhere near as good offensively as Chandler. He is a career 5-7-0 guy on an 8m/yr contract.

Would I take him? Yes because we are so thin at center. Would I give up any or our core 4 for him? No.

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His only year as a starter. He was just as productive as a starter when Noah went down. Again, not much difference between he and Hornets Chandler in terms of production


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"The New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers are discussing a deal involving Iman Shumpert and Raymond Felton for Darren Collison. Frank Isola of the New York Daily News report that the Knicks would also acquire Reggie Bullock."


If Shumpert is going for that cheap, we should send them Rivers, Roberts and Jackson for that package....

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

His only year as a starter. He was just as productive as a starter when Noah went down. Again, not much difference between he and Hornets Chandler in terms of production


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Chandler is WAY more efficient on offense than Asik.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

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The Gordon matching, drafting Austin rivers, trading a 1st rd pick for jarred bayless to then turn around and trade him a month later with Peja for Jarrett jack, Marcus banks, and David Andersen. Those are a few. This is the problem. He's been here since 2010. What has he done? Besides the ayon trade to Orlando for Ryno.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

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If your Bill Simmons, you would say the Evans trade, the Holiday trade, and getting rid of Vasquez and Lopez, and the whole CP3 to Clippers deal if you assume that the team generated that and not David Stern.

On the flip side, you could argue that $44 Million for Tyreke is worthwhile if he plays to potential, and that Jrue Holliday is worth 2 unknown draft pics because the long term success rate on NBA draft pics is not all that great, and that Demps dumped Lopez and Vasquez because no matter how cheap they were, he wanted to try to get better and to do that you have to spend money.

A person's valuing Dell Demps as a GM is all about how they view Evans and Holliday and maybe Gordon depending on your worldview as to how that all went down.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Somewhere around 12


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U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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Name 15 better gms with all of their trades then, be my guest

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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So what was the Jrue trade?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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So please rank all the GMs in the league with all their moves. Let's see that spreadsheet, so we can grade them.

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Originally Posted by cki3915

If your Bill Simmons, you would say the Evans trade, the Holiday trade, and getting rid of Vasquez and Lopez, and the whole CP3 to Clippers deal if you assume that the team generated that and not David Stern.

On the flip side, you could argue that $44 Million for Tyreke is worthwhile if he plays to potential, and that Jrue Holliday is worth 2 unknown draft pics because the long term success rate on NBA draft pics is not all that great, and that Demps dumped Lopez and Vasquez because no matter how cheap they were, he wanted to try to get better and to do that you have to spend money.

A person's valuing Dell Demps as a GM is all about how they view Evans and Holliday and maybe Gordon depending on your worldview as to how that all went down.

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I agree. We could def do much worse that's for sure. When u say 2 unknown picks well now we can look at 1 of them and say we could of drafted Burke or mcw and the drop off is not enough to warrant 2 first rd picks. Yea it's 20/20 hindsight but that's how we judge gms moves. They are the ones being paid the big bucks to evaluate the talent and identify it. We missed on Burke and mcw for sure. I love holiday but seeing how those 2 kids are playing. I'd take either of them and our 1st rd pick this year back in a heart beat. I didn't like the Evans signing at the time only cause of how our roster was currently constructed. It's now proving right. Too many ball dominant guards. It's not working. Maybe he can right the ship and make some good moves here. We shall see.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So please rank all the GMs in the league with all their moves. Let's see that spreadsheet, so we can grade them.

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http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/dell_demps.htm

Grade that spread sheet. It's a bunch of nothing.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Chandler is WAY more efficient on offense than Asik.

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Basically he took one less shot per 36 minutes and made close to the same amount. Other than that, mostly everything else was similar and that was without the best PG in the world throwing him lobs.

Is he exactly the same player? No. But he played like a 12 million dollar player last year and is not the stiff on offense that some portray him as


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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lol no no. I just would rather lose Monty than Reke. I don't think Monty is the answer by any means I just don't think he's the spawn of Hell.

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Walk always in the light, or we will drag you to it.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/dell_demps.htm

Grade that spread sheet. It's a bunch of nothing.

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You're seriously ridicolous. Like, pathetic. It's YOU saying dell's **** so it's YOU the one who has to prove that to other people, not the other way 'round.