2012 - 2013 Finals

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Again, it's not an opinion. They won a championship. It can not be considered a failure. A disappointment? sure. But not a failure.

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If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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I disagree. A failure would be what the Knicks, Nets, and Lakers did. There's a difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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You're wrong. It's a fact, didn't you hear ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You're wrong. It's a fact, didn't you hear ? :rolleyes:

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Yea...thanks for adding absolutely nothing. Make your debate that much stronger. Weak.

I don't really argue with people who call their opinions facts, what's the point ?

There's not a lot to debate. If you set a goal and you don't achieve it, you did not succeed.

IF([Championships]>=2,Pass,Fail)

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

There's not a lot to debate. If you set a goal and you don't achieve it, you did not succeed.

IF([Championships]>=2,Pass,Fail)

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I have a formula!

Lol, I don't necessarily agree that it's a failure; I'd have to think about it. The gut reaction feels that way though.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't really argue with people who call their opinions facts, what's the point ?

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I can't help you if you can't tell the difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I can't help you if you can't tell the difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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This is why I don't argue with members like you anymore. It's going to go on a personal level and you're not going to be swayed because you've already decided you're right. Lets just go our separate ways before this gets more disrespectful.

There's nothing personal about it. The point remains the same. I brought up a very clear difference between what's a failure vs a disappointment. Miami is not in the same boat as the Knicks, Nets, or Lakers of this past year. They are failures because they were unable to get 1 title. Miami might have not win 3+ titles that people thought they were but they were able to win 1 which supports my case.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

They won a championship. Not sure how it can be considered a failure. Sure they didn't win multiple titles like people expected, but getting there 3 times and winning 1 is pretty good.

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I have to disagree. When you put together a team with 2 of the top 5 players in the league and another player who is in the top 3 of his position (Lebron #1, Wade #2, and Bosh a top 3 PF in his own right), you assemble the best supporting cast in almost ever, 3 finals appearances, and only 1 championship? That's a failure to me. When you put together a team like that, a championship is almost GUARANTEED, GIVEN! And not only was it one ring, it was a ring in a shortened season. It's a big difference b/w a lockout season and regular 82 game season.

Disappointment is the same thing as failure to me. IF you didn't set out and achieve your goal, then it is a failure. And to be honest, one championship was expected, that was a given. That's why it wasn't a really big deal when MIA won their ring last year.

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

I have to disagree. When you put together a team with 3 top 10 position players (Lebron #1, Wade #2, and Bosh a top 3 PF in his own right), you assemble the best supporting cast in almost ever, 3 finals appearances, and only 1 championship? That's a failure to me. When you put together a team like that, a championship is almost GUARANTEED, GIVEN! And not only was a one ring, it was a ring in a shortened season. It's a big difference b/w a lockout season and regular 82 game season.

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If the Clippers were able to form that big 3 with Paul, Howard, and big time player and never wins a championship, do you put them in the same boat as Miami as a failure? Apparently, I'm not in touch with the way some of y'all feel consider what a failure is, so I ask this simple question.

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

If the Clippers were able to form that big 3 with Paul, Howard, and big time player and never wins a championship, do you put them in the same boat as Miami as a failure? Apparently, I'm not in touch with the way some of y'all feel consider what a failure is, so I ask this simple question.

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Yeah, THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE TOO! When you assemble a borderline all-star team and come out of an era with only ONE ring to show for it, that is underachieving, failing, coming up short, they are all the same things. Just like the Nash-Kobe-Gasol-Howard thing was failure, and how the Drexler-Pippen-Barkley thing was a failure. But you wanna know why the MIA thing is even a bigger failure? Because all those dudes are in the top of their positions AND are in their primes. The 2 I mentioned, pretty much all of their players (except for Howard) are over the hill and ring chasing and have pretty much dropped off of the radar. Same thing with Garnett-Pierce-Allen, those dudes were near done and at the end of their careers. Heck, people were even STILL picking the Cavs to knock them off. NO ONE has picked the Heat to be knocked off, NO ONE.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

Yeah, THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE TOO! When you assemble a borderline all-star team and come out of an era with only ONE ring to show for it, that is underachieving, failing, coming up short, they are all the same things. Just like the Nash-Kobe-Gasol-Howard thing was failure, and how the Drexler-Pippen-Barkley thing was a failure. But you wanna know why the MIA thing is even a bigger failure? Because all those dudes are in the top of their positions AND are in their primes. The 2 I mentioned, pretty much all of their players (except for Howard) are over the hill and ring chasing and have pretty much dropped off of the radar. Same thing with Garnett-Pierce-Allen, those dudes were near done and at the end of their careers. Heck, people were even STILL picking the Cavs to knock them off. NO ONE has picked the Heat to be knocked off, NO ONE.

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Ok. It's clear to me now why there's a difference in the way we feel.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Lebron is arguably the best player in the NBA.
Wade is arguably either the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA.
Bosh, if not considered to be a top 10 player in the NBA (which I think he is), is considered to be in the top 3 when it comes to PF's.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Yes.

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Hell yeah that's a failure. Even if they make it to the finals. I think Miami's failure line was as high as any teams ever if that matters; it's also going to be discussed that they won in a lockout year ..

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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To be honest, when you assemble a team like that, I'm expecting at least 1 3-peat.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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To be honest, when you assemble a team like that, I'm expecting at least 1 3-peat.

I just realized that CNN was broadcasting that. lol

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

Lebron is arguably the best player in the NBA.
Wade is arguably either the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA.
Bosh, if not considered to be a top 10 player in the NBA (which I think he is), is considered to be in the top 3 when it comes to PF's.

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Actually it's not arguable; Lebron is the best player in the league and I'm not sure of anyone who doesn't outlandishly have a personal hate for him that would argue that. Wade at the time was a top 3 player and bosh was what top 12? (We're agreeing lol).

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

I just realized that CNN was broadcasting that. lol

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Because nothing like it was done! This wasn't The genius of a front office using strategic picks and signings to build a dynasty (like the 80's Celtics), these dudes took the league by surprise and basically held the league by its balls! There has not been a big ANYTHING with 3 top 10 players ALL IN THEIR PRIMES.

And if you know the story of it, this thing was in the making for more than 4 years.