Former Pels coach has the Suns balling

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11-04-2019, 10:44 PM
Speakthetruth

Former Pels coach has the Suns balling

5-2 wins over the clippers and Sixers

Still one of the dumbest firings in nba history

If you dont know who I'm talking about, Mr Monty Williams.
11-04-2019, 10:49 PM
13 - 3

I’m really happy for him. He keeps this up he is the one that might be in the playoffs.
11-04-2019, 10:57 PM
JJackisangry

It’s not so much firing Monty as it was hiring Gentry. Just a huge mistake
11-04-2019, 11:07 PM
boot318

We started great last season but it all matters how you finish. Zion was key to this season, but since he is injured everything will be forgiven how the season ends (+health).
11-04-2019, 11:22 PM
Thepeelsessions

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

It’s not so much firing Monty as it was hiring Gentry. Just a huge mistake

Couldn't have said it any better.
11-04-2019, 11:28 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

It’s not so much firing Monty as it was hiring Gentry. Just a huge mistake

Gayle & that Dennis guy went the cheap route. I think this is partially why Davis left.
11-04-2019, 11:37 PM
kinglio21093

Still think firing him after getting an underachieving team to the playoffs was a gross mistake.

I'm so happy he's having early success in Phoenix. He's one of the most genuine dudes in the league. No one deserves it more. Still wish we had him.
11-05-2019, 07:07 AM
As I See It

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Still think firing him after getting an underachieving team to the playoffs was a gross mistake.

I'm so happy he's having early success in Phoenix. He's one of the most genuine dudes in the league. No one deserves it more. Still wish we had him.

Couldn't agree more.
11-05-2019, 07:21 AM
PineBeltPelican

What is more surprising? Their start or ours?
11-05-2019, 07:41 AM
msusousaphone

JFC.

Our roster is a bunch of kids. Like. For real. Almost our entite team would still be in college had they gone four years. People are delusional with this rebirth. The first steps are supposed to be shaky.
11-05-2019, 07:41 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by PineBeltPelican

What is more surprising? Their start or ours?

Definitely theirs. It’s hard to ever expect a good start here with Alvin.
11-05-2019, 07:44 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

JFC.

Our roster is a bunch of kids. Like. For real. Almost our entite team would still be in college had they gone four years. People are delusional with this rebirth. The first steps are supposed to be shaky.

The Suns have the youngest roster in the NBA.
11-05-2019, 07:48 AM
SonOfNOLA

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

JFC.

Our roster is a bunch of kids. Like. For real. Almost our entite team would still be in college had they gone four years. People are delusional with this rebirth. The first steps are supposed to be shaky.

Suns roster is a bunch of kids too. Difference is Monty prioritizes defense and especially discipline.

The only kids in terms of first time players are NAW and Hayes; they’re barely playing right now. All of our big minutes players are 3+ seasons in
11-05-2019, 07:52 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Suns roster is a bunch of kids too. Difference is Monty teaches defense and especially discipline.

The only kids in terms of first time players are NAW and Hayes; they’re barely playing right now. All of our big minutes players are 3+ seasons in

Exactly! People want to make excuses for a guy that can’t get his roster ready to play. Age has nothing to do with basketball skill and discipline.
11-05-2019, 07:52 AM
Pelicanidae

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Gayle & that Dennis guy went the cheap route. I think this is partially why Davis left.

Gayle was not in charge when Monty was let go, nor when Gentry was hired.

If you're talking about retaining Gentry, then I feel like that's more of a Griffin thing: Gayle freed up the money for literally everything else he asked for, so I can't imagine that she would have drawn the line at a new coach.
11-05-2019, 07:55 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Gayle was not in charge when Monty was let go, nor when Gentry was hired.

If you're talking about retaining Gentry, then I feel like that's more of a Griffin thing: Gayle freed up the money for literally everything else he asked for, so I can't imagine that she would have drawn the line at a new coach.

It was said multiple times during the GM hiring process that one of the keys was to retain Gentry. One of the reasons why Ferry backed away. The guy being hired was expected to retain Gentry.
11-05-2019, 08:49 AM
13 - 3

I’m holding out hope Griff. now sees nobody likes this guy, brings in someone like Lue to coach team. A coach the players can relate too and would really get under skin of Klutch Sports.
11-05-2019, 08:57 AM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

It was said multiple times during the GM hiring process that one of the keys was to retain Gentry. One of the reasons why Ferry backed away. The guy being hired was expected to retain Gentry.

Curse this world where no one changes and dogmatically sticks to some arbitrarily observed course of action a random fan somewhere identifies and assumes everyone else is clinging to.

If only we lived in a world were people can and do change their minds, even...or that just because a person is doing a perceptively bad job in one area, they can't, say, be moved into a higher position of authority but safely removed from the areas they are deficient in.

But apparently, we live in the former world.
11-05-2019, 09:33 AM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

It was said multiple times during the GM hiring process that one of the keys was to retain Gentry. One of the reasons why Ferry backed away. The guy being hired was expected to retain Gentry.

First, Ferry did not back away. He was given the chance to resign once the decision was made to hire Griffin. Griffin was given free reign over all basketball operations. To keep Gentry as the coach was his decision.
11-05-2019, 09:46 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Curse this world where no one changes and dogmatically sticks to some arbitrarily observed course of action a random fan somewhere identifies and assumes everyone else is clinging to.

If only we lived in a world were people can and do change their minds, even...or that just because a person is doing a perceptively bad job in one area, they can't, say, be moved into a higher position of authority but safely removed from the areas they are deficient in.

But apparently, we live in the former world.

Mediocre stinks bruh
11-05-2019, 10:01 AM
DarkHornet

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

It was said multiple times during the GM hiring process that one of the keys was to retain Gentry. One of the reasons why Ferry backed away. The guy being hired was expected to retain Gentry.

I'm going to need to see at least one of these sources for this rumor, because nothing I've heard during or after aligns with that. If Griffin wants to get a new coach, there's no way I'll believe he doesn't have the ability to do that.
11-05-2019, 10:05 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

I'm going to need to see at least one of these sources for this rumor, because nothing I've heard during or after aligns with that. If Griffin wants to get a new coach, there's no way I'll believe he doesn't have the ability to do that.

I’ll look for it. Scott Kushner and some other people talked about it during the hiring.
11-05-2019, 10:05 AM
Speakthetruth

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I’m holding out hope Griff. now sees nobody likes this guy, brings in someone like Lue to coach team. A coach the players can relate too and would really get under skin of Klutch Sports.

Lue isnt a good coach that would be a terrible hire
11-05-2019, 10:11 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

I'm going to need to see at least one of these sources for this rumor, because nothing I've heard during or after aligns with that. If Griffin wants to get a new coach, there's no way I'll believe he doesn't have the ability to do that.

https://www.boston.com/sports/nba/20...-anthony-davis

Here is one article that talks about it.

It doesn’t mean Griff doesn’t have the ability. It just means that when he was hired, Benson wanted the candidates to give Alvin a chance.
11-05-2019, 10:26 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Lue isnt a good coach that would be a terrible hire

I would be on board with giving Vinson or Finch a chance to finish out this season
11-05-2019, 10:52 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Lue isnt a good coach that would be a terrible hire

Then you are saying the Lakers did the right thing? I bet Lue is a HC soon again. Anyway how is Jason Kidd any better? Yet he might be the HC if the communist gets tired of Vogel. I guess we can say Kerr is a terrible Coach too.
11-05-2019, 10:58 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I would be on board with giving Vinson or Finch a chance to finish out this season

That might make sense if Gayle does not want to open her purse.
11-05-2019, 11:04 AM
Mythrol

I can't believe people don't remember that one of the key points in hiring the GM was Mrs B wanted to keep Gentry. Like, this was talked about a ton on this forum, on Twitter, on Pels Podcasts. It was all over the place. Now a few months goes by and people don't remember it? This is crazy to me.
11-05-2019, 11:18 AM
Speakthetruth

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Then you are saying the Lakers did the right thing? I bet Lue is a HC soon again. Anyway how is Jason Kidd any better? Yet he might be the HC if the communist gets tired of Vogel. I guess we can say Kerr is a terrible Coach too.

Lue isnt good, a lot of his terribleness was covered up by having lebron and kyrie in a conference that wasn't really good.

And yes I think Vogel is a better coach than Lue
11-05-2019, 11:25 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I can't believe people don't remember that one of the key points in hiring the GM was Mrs B wanted to keep Gentry. Like, this was talked about a ton on this forum, on Twitter, on Pels Podcasts. It was all over the place. Now a few months goes by and people don't remember it? This is crazy to me.

Yep! To me it was the single biggest point other than the AD trade.
11-05-2019, 11:25 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Lue isnt good, a lot of his terribleness was covered up by having lebron and kyrie in a conference that wasn't really good.

And yes I think Vogel is a better coach than Lue

You could say the same for Steve Kerr. Back to us it is really how much money Gayle is willing to spend. We can dream about Calipari. Not going to happen.
11-05-2019, 11:26 AM
Speakthetruth

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

You could say the same for Steve Kerr.

Yea I'm not sold on kerr. Ayesha curry could of won with that super duper team. I was really interested to see him coach the warriors this season with curry draymond and russell but now curry is down
11-05-2019, 11:28 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

First, Ferry did not back away. He was given the chance to resign once the decision was made to hire Griffin. Griffin was given free reign over all basketball operations. To keep Gentry as the coach was his decision.

This is just not correct. At the time, the new team leader was given full reigns but Gayle wanted them to retain Gentry. It’s really weird that so many Pels fans do not know that Gayle was requiring him to be kept. She felt that he deserved a chance to coach a roster with his style of players. She even said that she believed he was dealt a bad hand.
11-05-2019, 11:35 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Curse this world where no one changes and dogmatically sticks to some arbitrarily observed course of action a random fan somewhere identifies and assumes everyone else is clinging to.

If only we lived in a world were people can and do change their minds, even...or that just because a person is doing a perceptively bad job in one area, they can't, say, be moved into a higher position of authority but safely removed from the areas they are deficient in.

But apparently, we live in the former world.

I like it. The wording was precise and to the point. I didn’t notice any grammatical errors.

A+
11-05-2019, 11:36 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I like it. The wording was precise and to the point. I didn’t notice any grammatical errors.

A+

Yeah i had to read it again.
11-05-2019, 11:39 AM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Yeah i had to read it again.

Homie made me pull out my grading rubric and reading glasses.
11-05-2019, 11:42 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Homie made me pull out my grading rubric and reading glasses.

:hihi:
11-05-2019, 11:54 AM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I can't believe people don't remember that one of the key points in hiring the GM was Mrs B wanted to keep Gentry. Like, this was talked about a ton on this forum, on Twitter, on Pels Podcasts. It was all over the place. Now a few months goes by and people don't remember it? This is crazy to me.

It’s selective memory from people that don’t want to be proved wrong. We all do it to be fair
11-05-2019, 12:06 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

It’s selective memory from people that don’t want to be proved wrong. We all do it to be fair

Or in other words we are stuck with him. Deal with it? Someone on TD brought up a good point. Let your tix sales rep & sponsors know how you feel.
11-05-2019, 01:09 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

https://www.boston.com/sports/nba/20...-anthony-davis

Here is one article that talks about it.

It doesn’t mean Griff doesn’t have the ability. It just means that when he was hired, Benson wanted the candidates to give Alvin a chance.

Where does it say that she required candidates to retain Gentry?
11-05-2019, 03:09 PM
Eman5805

Yeah. This sounds like a weirdly driven excuse to complain and worry without any justification. And frankly, the implied notion that Gayle is afraid to fire Gentry (may not be implied, I feel like someone outright said it) is a little sexist. Never heard anyone accuse any other owners of being afraid to run their teams.
11-05-2019, 03:14 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Yeah. This sounds like a weirdly driven excuse to complain and worry without any justification. And frankly, the implied notion that Gayle is afraid to fire Gentry (may not be implied, I feel like someone outright said it) is a little sexist. Never heard anyone accuse any other owners of being afraid to run their teams.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.co....jpg?fit=scale
11-05-2019, 03:16 PM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

https://www.nba.com/images/cms/2019-...0&h=2880&y=197

Yeah I agree
11-05-2019, 03:19 PM
13 - 3

I had to change the photo. Yeah it gulls me that he may have been right.
11-05-2019, 03:39 PM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I had to change the photo. Yeah it gulls me that he may have been right.

AD?
11-05-2019, 04:01 PM
Pelicanidae

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I had to change the photo. Yeah it gulls me that he may have been right.

Seagulls, or some other kind of gull?
11-05-2019, 04:22 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Seagulls, or some other kind of gull?

Don’t how that came out. Sometimes I think we did not try hard enough to keep Davis. Start with coaching.
11-05-2019, 04:27 PM
VooDooKnight

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Suns roster is a bunch of kids too. Difference is Monty prioritizes defense and especially discipline.

The only kids in terms of first time players are NAW and Hayes; they’re barely playing right now. All of our big minutes players are 3+ seasons in

Great retort.
11-05-2019, 04:44 PM
Fedupfan

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Don’t how that came out. Sometimes I think we did not try hard enough to keep Davis. Start with coaching.

The good news is we can be confident that will not happen with the current group if Alvin doesn’t turn it around
11-05-2019, 05:56 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

The good news is we can be confident that will not happen with the current group if Alvin doesn’t turn it around

Yep. We shall see. Maybe Alvin turns things around.

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