RIC BUCHER Report: Pelicans admitted Lakers trade offer "was pretty attractive"

Interesting...

I'd be more interested in this if it came from either

A) Someone with actual insight on the Pelicans organisation, whether that be someone like Shamit Dua or a national guy like Woj who is trustworthy
B) Someone who isn't Ric Bucher, the guy who is most famous for saying that his 'sources' told him that Lebron was '100%' going to New York before The Decision

He's a professional idiot.

A time stamp would have been nice. Lol. It was right at the 9 min mark.

The quote came from a LAKERS reporter for ESPN. It didn't come from Ric Bucher it came from Dave McMenamin. The title like usual of people posting stuff on YouTube is just click bait.

The full quote is basically, It was attractive back then but looks a lot different now with the Ingram blood clot issue.

I'm taking that with a HUGE grain of salt. I simply don't believe any Lakers reporter on this stuff. They have their own spin they are trying to push.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm taking that with a HUGE grain of salt. I simply don't believe any Lakers reporter on this stuff. They have their own spin they are trying to push.

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Like I said, Ric Bucher's biggest claim to fame was openly announcing to the world that Lebron was 100% going to NYC before The Decision, and being monumentally dead wrong.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Like I said, Ric Bucher's biggest claim to fame was openly announcing to the world that Lebron was 100% going to NYC before The Decision, and being monumentally dead wrong.

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This isn't coming from Ric Bucher. He's just talking about someone else saying it. And even then they basically only give the "interesting" part a passing remark and then basically say, yeah the Lakers simply don't have the assets.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This isn't coming from Ric Bucher. He's just talking about someone else saying it. And even then they basically only give the "interesting" part a passing remark and then basically say, yeah the Lakers simply don't have the assets.

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Just watched the full clip, and you're right. I was kind of jumping the gun on that.

That said the fact the quote they're discussing doesn't even really have any content either, this is kind of a non-story, right? ''Oh yeah, someone else said that the trade was interesting but they didn't actually do it and now it looks worse'', which is kind of just what we all knew anyway, no? We heard from Shamit back in February that Gentry was pushing for them to take the Lakers trade, which lines up with sources ''inside the Pelicans organisation'' saying that we were ''interested'', but that nothing came of it.

So it's kind of a nothing segment.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A time stamp would have been nice. Lol. It was right at the 9 min mark.

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My bad lol

This is really old news Ric.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Just watched the full clip, and you're right. I was kind of jumping the gun on that.

That said the fact the quote they're discussing doesn't even really have any content either, this is kind of a non-story, right? ''Oh yeah, someone else said that the trade was interesting but they didn't actually do it and now it looks worse'', which is kind of just what we all knew anyway, no? We heard from Shamit back in February that Gentry was pushing for them to take the Lakers trade, which lines up with sources ''inside the Pelicans organisation'' saying that we were ''interested'', but that nothing came of it.

So it's kind of a nothing segment.

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I agree. It's sort of a nothing story. Especially considering the person who is making the claim being a Lakers reporter.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I agree. It's sort of a nothing story. Especially considering the person who is making the claim being a Lakers reporter.

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Gotta fill time on their garbage show somehow, why not dredge up some none-drama from 3 months ago, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Gotta fill time on their garbage show somehow, why not dredge up some none-drama from 3 months ago, I guess.

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To be fair I don't know when Dave did the podcast where he made those claims. Maybe it came out in the past week or something. I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

To be fair I don't know when Dave did the podcast where he made those claims. Maybe it came out in the past week or something. I don't know.

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I get what you're saying, but all that really does is shunt the blame along to Dave. If he did that podcast last week, then he was the one digging up none-drama from 3 months ago.

I'm pretty sure we heard back then that it wasn't that we didn't like their offer, it was why should we jump on the only offer we could take at the time and also act before we know the lottery results? Because it's beneficial to the Lakers? Pfft.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'm pretty sure we heard back then that it wasn't that we didn't like their offer, it was why should we jump on the only offer we could take at the time and also act before we know the lottery results? Because it's beneficial to the Lakers? Pfft.

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This is what I remember. I'm pretty sure the narrative was clear: we have no need to make a deal now, so if you want us to do so then your offer needs to be an overpayment.

Simple.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I get what you're saying, but all that really does is shunt the blame along to Dave. If he did that podcast last week, then he was the one digging up none-drama from 3 months ago.

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I'm assuming he is on heavy damage control duty atm. Especially as we get closer to the offseason and being able to make trades. "it's not that our assets suck, the Pelicans were very tempted!"

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm assuming he is on heavy damage control duty atm. Especially as we get closer to the offseason and being able to make trades. "it's not that our assets suck, the Pelicans were very tempted!"

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Ahhh, yeah....

well, ya hate to see it.

I'm just glad the Lakers have totally cratered...well below where we stand today.

If Ingram’s health issue gets the clear then the Lakers still have a great offer. I’m sure we did like the offer but no reason to take it at the time when lots of teams can enter the trade discussion this off season.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

If Ingram’s health issue gets the clear then the Lakers still have a great offer. I’m sure we did like the offer but no reason to take it at the time when lots of teams can enter the trade discussion this off season.

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Cleared by who is the question. Bosh says he's been cleared for years now but no NBA team would touch him. It really depends on the situation what is going to happen with him. He's a risk, simply no way around it.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Cleared by who is the question. Bosh says he's been cleared for years now but no NBA team would touch him. It really depends on the situation what is going to happen with him. He's a risk, simply no way around it.

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For me, I don't want him.

In the past, I've been totally clear that I don't think Ingram is the best thing on the market. I'm not trying to pretend that I've ever thought differently.

But I acknowledged, openly, that there was always a chance he could make things work and improve (I even said I'd be surprised if he didn't improve at least in some areas like rebounding), and that if we ended up getting him in a trade, I wouldn't be happy about it but I would keep my fingers crossed that I was wrong and he would break out and be awesome. Cause once someone is on your team, you want them to be great.

Now though, from this blood clot revelation? I want absolutely no parts of him at all. I accept I could be still wrong, but this is the kind of thing that could be fatal if there's an error. Unless he's cleared by the NBA's doctors, and the Pelicans doctors, and the Lakers doctors, and an independently hired consultant or two as well, then I would be deathly afraid of trading for him.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

My bad lol

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Slow news week for us.

I'll take it.

Also. Do you guys think we sign Boogie in the offseason?

jk

Even if true is meaningless. The trade never happened and those people are more than likely not here anymore.

I don’t believe it’s anything more than posturing by the Lakers. They feed false info to the press through whoever for damage control. They didn’t have what we wanted and that is that.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

If Ingram’s health issue gets the clear then the Lakers still have a great offer. I’m sure we did like the offer but no reason to take it at the time when lots of teams can enter the trade discussion this off season.

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I don't think it is that black and white. The fact that he has had the blood clot will not go away, so there will always be the risk that one more could end his career.

I don't want Ingram. Risk not worth the reward at this point. The Pels would have to seriously value the other pieces in that trade (Ball, picks, Kuz) for that to be a good trade.

I've stayed away from posting because 1.) I gave it up for lent and 2.) there isn't much to say until after the lottery.

IMO, the Lakers have to jump into the top 4 of the lottery to have the best package that will be out there.

Never was in love with the Lakers package but I am also not in love with doing a deal with the Celtics (which I believe lot of people feel is the better option). The Celtics look "soft." Blaming it all on Kyrie Irving feels convenient. Pelicans have some tough decisions ahead of them. I am still concerned that it will be damn near impossible to get value back for dealing AD, but I guess it is what it is.

I'm just waiting to see what Ainge offers if Kyrie makes it clear he's leaving, and what the value of that offer does to the market. Waiting for the mythical Celtics offer is what juiced the hypothetical offers before the trade deadline. I'm still concerned, as I've always been, that Kyrie leaving ultimately depresses the AD market. Hope I'm wrong.

The Celtics should very clearly see now they can't win with their team. Even IF Kyrie says he is going to New York that should make the Celtics more desperate to get AD. So they can build around him and also to keep the Knicks from getting him. I'm more confident now than I was before the trade deadline because I thought maybe if the Celtics won this year in some fluke incident they'd be over getting AD but instead they desperately need him.

I too think that Kyrie leaving the Celtics is a foregone conclusion. I doubt the Celtics even want him back. I also think the Celtics offer will be even less as Boston will be a less attractive long term destination for AD. I think Boston keeps their young talent and picks and continue to re-tool.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The Celtics should very clearly see now they can't win with their team. Even IF Kyrie says he is going to New York that should make the Celtics more desperate to get AD. So they can build around him and also to keep the Knicks from getting him. I'm more confident now than I was before the trade deadline because I thought maybe if the Celtics won this year in some fluke incident they'd be over getting AD but instead they desperately need him.

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IMO, the sweet spot would have been them getting to ECF, Kyrie playing well, but realizing they needed an AD level player to go win a championship.

From the Celtics perspective, I don't really see why they would bundle their young assets to build around AD on a supermax if Kyrie isn't there. Who are they pairing him with to achieve success next year, and what future free agents are they really going to be positioned to go after the following year? They signed Hayward, but have struggled to close the deal with other free agents in the past, and even Hayward was a special case. We've already seen that AD by himself can't carry a team.

In an interview Ainge did before the deadline, he indicated he would still go after a guy even if he didn't have a long term commitment, but that the deal would reflect that. I just can't see him giving up the farm for a gamble on Davis!

I've posted some version of this 100x. Ugh.
I'm checking out again until after the lottery!

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I too think that Kyrie leaving the Celtics is a foregone conclusion. I doubt the Celtics even want him back. I also think the Celtics offer will be even less as Boston will be a less attractive long term destination for AD. I think Boston keeps their young talent and picks and continue to re-tool.

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So exactly what would be considered an attractive destination for AD now then? The Lakers are absolutely in a dumpster atm.

If Tobias Harris can get 2 1st and 2 2nds for half a season then AD better be able to get more than that.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

IMO, the sweet spot would have been them getting to ECF, Kyrie playing well, but realizing they needed an AD level player to go win a championship.

From the Celtics perspective, I don't really see why they would bundle their young assets to build around AD on a supermax if Kyrie isn't there. Who are they pairing him with to achieve success next year, and what future free agents are they really going to be positioned to go after the following year? They signed Hayward, but have struggled to close the deal with other free agents in the past, and even Hayward was a special case. We've already seen that AD by himself can't carry a team.

In an interview Ainge did before the deadline, he indicated he would still go after a guy even if he didn't have a long term commitment, but that the deal would reflect that. I just can't see him giving up the farm for a gamble on Davis!

I've posted some version of this 100x. Ugh.
I'm checking out again until after the lottery!

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Yes, I think the Knicks are a far more likely destination for AD, and Boston will no longer offer Tatum. I’d rather keep AD until the trade deadline than accept peanuts.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

IMO, the sweet spot would have been them getting to ECF, Kyrie playing well, but realizing they needed an AD level player to go win a championship.

From the Celtics perspective, I don't really see why they would bundle their young assets to build around AD on a supermax if Kyrie isn't there. Who are they pairing him with to achieve success next year, and what future free agents are they really going to be positioned to go after the following year? They signed Hayward, but have struggled to close the deal with other free agents in the past, and even Hayward was a special case. We've already seen that AD by himself can't carry a team.

In an interview Ainge did before the deadline, he indicated he would still go after a guy even if he didn't have a long term commitment, but that the deal would reflect that. I just can't see him giving up the farm for a gamble on Davis!

I've posted some version of this 100x. Ugh.
I'm checking out again until after the lottery!

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AD wouldn't be on a supermax if he went to Boston.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

So exactly what would be considered an attractive destination for AD now then? The Lakers are absolutely in a dumpster atm.

If Tobias Harris can get 2 1st and 2 2nds for half a season then AD better be able to get more than that.

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Somewhere with a clear cut 2nd star. Options like the Knicks with Kyrie and/or KD signing there, Clippers with Kawhi or Kyrie also signing there, Brooklyn with Kyrie also signing there, or in AD’s mind the Lakers still have his daddy Lebron. Boston has no stars and are in flux. If I am Ainge, I am not giving up Tatum for a possible one year rental in AD. No way.

I’m old enough to remember a time when AD to Bos was a done deal in everybody’s opinion. Boy how things have changed.

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So exactly what would be considered an attractive destination for AD now then? The Lakers are absolutely in a dumpster atm.

If Tobias Harris can get 2 1st and 2 2nds for half a season then AD better be able to get more than that.

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We very well may be looking at 2 firsts and 2 seconds with some mid level at best salary filler as a best option.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

We very well may be looking at 2 firsts and 2 seconds with some mid level at best salary filler as a best option.

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AD better be able to get more than that if Harris for 4 months could get that.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

AD better be able to get more than that if Harris for 4 months could get that.

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Without Boston, give me any other team who could offer better than that. The exception is if we get a top 3 pick offered to us by the Knicks.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Without Boston, give me any other team who could offer better than that. The exception is if we get a top 3 pick offered to us by the Knicks.

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Trades arent binary. There will be multiple teams involved.
ANY team that thinks they have a chance to win in the east knows they have to go through Giannis. There aren't very many players equipped to deal with Giannis. AD is one of them.
AD's market will be huge, especially with L.A. no longer being an endgame destination.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Without Boston, give me any other team who could offer better than that. The exception is if we get a top 3 pick offered to us by the Knicks.

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Better than what? Porzingis got 2 1sts AND DSJ all while fighting legal trouble, being out with an ACL teae, and due for a huge contract while being a free agent this summer.

People need to set their expectations accordingly. AD is gonna be able to pull in a better haul than Harris or Porzingis.

Who knows? Maybe all things change and Griffin gets AD to stay.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Better than what? Porzingis got 2 1sts AND DSJ all while fighting legal trouble, being out with an ACL teae, and due for a huge contract while being a free agent this summer.

People need to set their expectations accordingly. AD is gonna be able to pull in a better haul than Harris or Porzingis.

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Again, I would like an example of a “good” trade offer not coming from Boston.

Here is mine which would require all these players just to make salaries work.

Knicks get Anthony Davis. The Knicks could then sign KD and/or Kyrie.

Pelicans get PG Dennis Smith Jr, PG Frank Ntilikina, SG Demario Dotson, SF Kevin Knox, SF Lance Thomas, C Mitchell Robinson, Knicks 2019 1st round pick, Knicks 2021 1st round pick, and Dallas 2021 first round pick.

Most people would say the Knicks are giving up too much, but there are no other players on their roster to add to match salaries.

I think this will be the best offer available, and I would take it if AD does not want to stay.

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Again, I would like an example of a “good” trade offer not coming from Boston.

Here is mine which would require all these players just to make salaries work.

Knicks get Anthony Davis. The Knicks could then sign KD and/or Kyrie.

Pelicans get PG Dennis Smith Jr, PG Frank Ntilikina, SG Demario Dotson, SF Kevin Knox, SF Lance Thomas, C Mitchell Robinson, Knicks 2019 1st round pick, Knicks 2021 1st round pick, and Dallas 2021 first round pick.

Most people would say the Knicks are giving up too much, but there are no other players on their roster to add to match salaries.

I think this will be the best offer available, and I would take it if AD does not want to stay.

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How can you expect any legitimate trade scenarios when we have ZERO clue who is picking where in the Lottery?
It affects the landscape exponentially.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

How can you expect any legitimate trade scenarios when we have ZERO clue who is picking where in the Lottery?
It affects the landscape exponentially.

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People are being overly pessimistic for virtually no reason. The draft lottery will play a big part in who we look at or wheel and deal with. At the moment, there is no reason to assume the worst.

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How can you expect any legitimate trade scenarios when we have ZERO clue who is picking where in the Lottery?
It affects the landscape exponentially.

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Of course it does. I highly doubt either Boston or the Lakers get a top 3 pick unless they beat the odds dramatically. Besides the Knicks, Boston (Sacramento pick), and the Lakers, what other lottery team would offer anything substantial for AD who would probably leave in 1 year if that team is not a contender?

AD’s trade market will not be as massive as people think. The realistic teams are Boston, Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Nets, and Chicago as a darkhorse candidate.

My guess is that the Knicks will offer the most if they get a top 3 pick. I would refuse to trade him to the Lakers or Clippers, so that would leave the Celtics, Knicks, Nets, and Bulls as teams to look at.

I already made my point on why I think Boston will now make a low ball offer.

We should all root for the Pelicans and Knicks in the draft lottery process.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

AD’s trade market will not be as massive as people think. The realistic teams are Boston, Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Nets, and Chicago as a darkhorse candidate.

My guess is that the Knicks will offer the most if they get a top 3 pick.

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Also note that there have been rumours stirring that say that Phoenix is tired of their current situation and could be moving into a "young vets" mentality. If that's true, then I think they're probably in the conversation as well. Ayton+Suns 2019 FRP+ Suns 2021 FRP is a good start. Oubre is on the board as well.

As much as it's an outside chance, I could imagine Atlanta getting involved too if they were high enough on the idea of Trae+AD, but that really depends on how they view the Eastern conference in general.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Also note that there have been rumours stirring that say that Phoenix is tired of their current situation and could be moving into a "young vets" mentality. If that's true, then I think they're probably in the conversation as well. Ayton+Suns 2019 FRP+ Suns 2021 FRP is a good start. Oubre is on the board as well.

As much as it's an outside chance, I could imagine Atlanta getting involved too if they were high enough on the idea of Trae+AD, but that really depends on how they view the Eastern conference in general.

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Why would Phoenix or Atlanta offer their future for a possible 1 year rental/gamble ? Neither team are contenders. Not happening. Why would AD choose to re-sign with Atlanta or Phoenix at this time. Just because each have a young quasi-star who haven’t proved they could win?

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Why would Phoenix or Atlanta offer their future for a possible 1 year rental/gamble ? Neither team are contenders. Not happening. Why would AD choose to re-sign with Atlanta or Phoenix at this time. Just because each have a young quasi-star who haven’t proved they could win?

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Did you think PG would re-sign with OKC or that Leonard would consider re-signing with Toronto? Phoenix has hired a coach who traditionally did not like dealing with rookies and Atlanta may feel that pairing AD with Young would get them where they want. I don't think either would consider trading the #1, but maybe #2 or lower.

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Did you think PG would re-sign with OKC or that Leonard would consider re-signing with Toronto? Phoenix has hired a coach who traditionally did not like dealing with rookies and Atlanta may feel that pairing AD with Young would get them where they want. I don't think either would consider trading the #1, but maybe #2 or lower.

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Toronto and OKC were both consistent winners prior to Leonard and George. Phoenix and Atlanta are not and would be taking far more of a gamble on AD not re-signing. Leonard may still not re-sign with Toronto.

Also Toronto and OKC gave up far less value than you would be suggesting from Phoenix or Atlanta. The idea just doesn’t make sense.