NBADraft.net - New Mock, June 18, 2013 (Now with Len #1, Porter #5)

I still would be happy with Burke. I really don't dislike any of the guys that are possible at 6, I think we are in a prime position especially now with Len's rise.

http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Passing on VO too!! What say you..?

Alex Len as the #1 pick? The entire NBA would have to send Cleveland a thank you card.

Why?

I believe Len or McLemore will go #1.

I just cant see Phoenix taking Porter. It is Washington or us IMO and though everyone has said he is a lock, I have never bought that

Honestly the more I've watched him I've kind of become "meh" on Otto Porter.

I don't know why people are so against Len. To me, the dude has massive potential. 7'1", already pretty skilled and can move. Maryland's guards never fed him the ball to dominate, but the potential is there.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Honestly the more I've watched him I've kind of become "meh" on Otto Porter.

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Wrong guy to look to if you want to be wowed, he'll never do that for you. But if you want to win and a guy who can do it all then he's your man.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Honestly the more I've watched him I've kind of become "meh" on Otto Porter.

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I can see that, but I gotta say that I have been a Georgetown fan since 1991. I watched almost every Porter game, and even more importantly, almost every game of the John Thompson III era. It would be so hard for any prospect to excite you in that system. If Andrew Wiggins went there, it would be hard to get excited about him.

They are all about teaching and stressing fundamentals, slowing the game down and using every second of that shot clock. No isos or pick and rolls, etc. It is totally about the team with them, and sometimes that takes the shine off of individuals.

Take that for what its worth.

You know who else has massive potential Enes Kanter, and he was supposed to be a better prospect than Len.

I hope Cleveland does take Len; it certainly would open us up for better options.

Len is going before us, whether it is 1, 4, or 5. That's for sure.

Like I said a week ago - Len is the only guy in this entire draft that I can't see one scenario where he falls to 6. Could make a scenario for anybody else. Not Len.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I can see that, but I gotta say that I have been a Georgetown fan since 1991. I watched almost every Porter game, and even more importantly, almost every game of the John Thompson III era. It would be so hard for any prospect to excite you in that system. If Andrew Wiggins went there, it would be hard to get excited about him.

They are all about teaching and stressing fundamentals, slowing the game down and using every second of that shot clock. No isos or pick and rolls, etc. It is totally about the team with them, and sometimes that takes the shine off of individuals.

Take that for what its worth.

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It kind of makes you realize why AI bolted so quickly while under John Thompson Jr.

I like Porter, and if we landed him it would be a great move. We would finally have the sf we have lacked for years.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You know who else has massive potential Enes Kanter, and he was supposed to be a better prospect than Len.

I hope Cleveland does take Len; it certainly would open us up for better options.

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Andre Drummond also had a ton of potential and slipped due to questions about his productivity in college. I think everyone but the Pels are kicking themselves for passing him today. It works both ways.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You know who else has massive potential Enes Kanter, and he was supposed to be a better prospect than Len.

I hope Cleveland does take Len; it certainly would open us up for better options.

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Not really a fair or logical arguement. You're arguing about not reaching potential in hindsight. There are also a lot of players that were said to not have much potential that are balling now, same with others who did reach their potential, so looking at that after the fact isn't fair. As of now, these guys are rated as unknown commodities and regardless of how sure people are the fact is no one KNOWS anything. They are all rated on potential. Len has a lot of it, as much as anyone, if not more, in the draft. Period.

Enes Kanter has Al Jefferson in front of him, and i know you personally don't like him, but it's hard to take 20/10 off the floor for a kid. I think this year is the year we see what Kanter can do assuming they don't resign Jefferson.

Al Jefferson is the worst defending big man....its not hard to take him off the floor if you have a better option on the bench. The Jazz did better defensivly when Jefferson was on the bench.

Kanter and Len are the same guy. Big player, nice outside shot to stretch a def. Only difference is Len is coming in with an injury. Take it as you will, but drafting a big who is already starting off hurt isn't the best option around town.

I haven't seen much of Porter except his highlights but he looks slow and uncoordinated to me. With that being said, I still hope he falls to us...

I just don't see us taking Burke at #6.

Cleveland picking Len wouldn't be that much safer injury-wise.

I can see Len might look safer offensively, but I still take Noel over Len every day of the week.

Looking at the mock I see only one pick this year. What happened to our 2nd round?

just teasing us... but i also think Len is a better #1 than Noel. more potential on both ends of the ball and its not like Noel is any more of a certainty to be a good player and no real need at the 2 with Dion Waiters being picked last year

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Originally Posted by maestreaux

Looking at the mock I see only one pick this year. What happened to our 2nd round?

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I believe that got shipped out in the Xavier Henry trade?

This is good news regardless. If Porter and Burke are on the board at 6 I will go to sleep that night a happy man.

I think Otto Porter is the Marvin Williams of this draft.

McLemore
Bennet
Oladipo
McCollum
Pope
alex len


one of these

Not surprised at Len #1. That's where the rumors are going now.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I think Otto Porter is the Marvin Williams of this draft.

McLemore
Bennet
Oladipo
McCollum
Pope
alex len


one of these

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Marvin Williams was a risk player when he was drafted. He didn't even start on UNC and play a large number of minutes. Otto Porter is the complete opposite

I'd be a little annoyed if we passed on Oladipo.

One thing that I've noticed is that the game never got bigger than Otto Porter. Like he was always capable of producing and impacting the game. He wasn't a take the game over guy, but no matter what is required, he will be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that because he can score, defend, rebound, pass, and initiate offense, he almost never disappeared. He had a bad last game of the year, but those weren't all that common.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

One thing that I've noticed is that the game never got bigger than Otto Porter. Like he was always capable of producing and impacting the game. He wasn't a take the game over guy, but no matter what is required, he will be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that because he can score, defend, rebound, pass, and initiate offense, he almost never disappeared. He had a bad last game of the year, but those weren't all that common.

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Exactly. And I am not comparing the two, but that is what made Jason Kidd so great throughout his career. If he couldn't score, he could still pass, defend, rebound, etc. There are so many ways to impact a game. People love scorers, but if they are off, then what do they give you? Take Ben McLemore, for instance. If he isn't hitting, what does he bring to the table? Maybe slightly above average rebounding for his position; maybe.

Give me the guy who can impact the game in the most ways and I know that he will give me something every night and on some nights he will give me everything.

Which is why I was and still am so gaga about Anthony Davis. If AD is having an off shooting night, he can still impact the game with his length, great hands, and quickness by getting last minute tip ins or deflections or that key rebound or block.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Which is why I was and still am so gaga about Anthony Davis. If AD is having an off shooting night, he can still impact the game with his length, great hands, and quickness by getting last minute tip ins or deflections or that key rebound or block.

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Exactly. Shot wasn't falling yet he still wins Final Four MOP. I disagree with Bill Russell and Uncle Drew, the game isn't ALL about getting buckets. It's also about creating them and defending them

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Exactly. Shot wasn't falling yet he still wins Final Four MOP. I disagree with Bill Russell and Uncle Drew, the game isn't ALL about getting buckets. It's also about creating them and defending them

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It is all about getting buckets which is why defending them is so important. Guess it's just how you look at it.

I'm definitely in agreement with these last few posts. Not sure what there is not to like with Porter. You would be talking about adding an EXTREMELY long SF next to an EXTREMELY long PF in Davis. Porter is the wing defender we have been desperate for. He also can handle the ball, and shoot the jumper, unlike another SF I know. He is definitely the type of guy that can give you 10+, 5 and 5, and just make your team so much better. It's also our weakest position, so it would allow us to focus our resources on other positions like PG and C where there are more viable options.

It would be a homerun, and he would be a fan favorite no doubt. The kid is a winner.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It kind of makes you realize why AI bolted so quickly while under John Thompson Jr.

I like Porter, and if we landed him it would be a great move. We would finally have the sf we have lacked for years.

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Plus not have to pay a ridiculous amount of money on Iggy.

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Originally Posted by DirtySouf

I haven't seen much of Porter except his highlights but he looks slow and uncoordinated to me. With that being said, I still hope he falls to us...

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Which is basically why he's compared to Tayshaun Prince. Not spectacular at anything. Not a great athlete. But good at everything. Good rebounder, passer, shooter, and defender. He also has a low post game offensively.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I think Otto Porter is the Marvin Williams of this draft.

McLemore
Bennet
Oladipo
McCollum
Pope
alex len


one of these

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Porter proved alot more in college than Marvin who was a 6th man on a stacked roster.

I would be really happy with Porter. He could start right away and for 10+ seasons.

I was never really wowed by Porter (and I guess that is what those above are saying). He seemed to fade towards the end of the season and disappeared in the tourney. I think he would be a good pick, but I am not as high on him as most.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

I don't know why people are so against Len. To me, the dude has massive potential. 7'1", already pretty skilled and can move. Maryland's guards never fed him the ball to dominate, but the potential is there.

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I am more worried about his stress fracture than his potential.

if otto porter is there he will undoubtably be the pick, monty values his style AND wants length, porter is 6"9 with a 7"1 wingspan

if we somehow luck out and land otto porter who would yall want to sign for the PG position, jennings or teague?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if we somehow luck out and land otto porter who would yall want to sign for the PG position, jennings or teague?

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If those are my choice's I'd say teague. I would love to try and trade for Rondo though.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Honestly the more I've watched him I've kind of become "meh" on Otto Porter.

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This. His ceiling is terrible and very mediocre for his draft position.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

This. His ceiling is terrible and very mediocre for his draft position.

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disagree, for him to do what he did in georgetown's system is impressive in itself, in the NBA where he will be allowed to play his game more i see huge improvements and he is young. I pray we get him.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Exactly. And I am not comparing the two, but that is what made Jason Kidd so great throughout his career. If he couldn't score, he could still pass, defend, rebound, etc. There are so many ways to impact a game. People love scorers, but if they are off, then what do they give you? Take Ben McLemore, for instance. If he isn't hitting, what does he bring to the table? Maybe slightly above average rebounding for his position; maybe.

Give me the guy who can impact the game in the most ways and I know that he will give me something every night and on some nights he will give me everything.

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THIS. There are only so many shots to go around. You want guys that are capable offensively, of course, but guys that can provide a lot of value without taking shots from others is a pretty huge deal.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if otto porter is there he will undoubtably be the pick, monty values his style AND wants length, porter is 6"9 with a 7"1 wingspan

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Yeah, honestly I think if we were at 1, Porter would be in the mix at the very least for us.

I think Len is the bust of this draft and would rather take Muscala over this kid. He already has a injury that could potentially be a serious problem for a big man. I watched him disappear in a few games and if your that good you demand the ball on such a weak team. Not buying it that his guards didn't get him the ball. He was 7'1 playing against guys half his size and he still couldn't dominate. He has sky rocketed up boards because of Hibberts play. I have seen Mac state many times you don't need a dominant center to win and that is the truth. He reminds me of Lopez and i'd rather not have 2 of them.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I think Len is the bust of this draft and would rather take Muscala over this kid. He already has a injury that could potentially be a serious problem for a big man. I watched him disappear in a few games and if your that good you demand the ball on such a weak team. Not buying it that his guards didn't get him the ball. He was 7'1 playing against guys half his size and he still couldn't dominate. He has sky rocketed up boards because of Hibberts play. I have seen Mac state many times you don't need a dominant center to win and that is the truth. He reminds me of Lopez and i'd rather not have 2 of them.

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How does he remind you of Lopez? I think Lopez is a decent enough center, but he and Len could not be any more different.

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Originally Posted by donato

I'd be a little annoyed if we passed on Oladipo.

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You and me both. I know 1 thing if we pick Len over Oladipo or Burke I will not be a season ticket holder haha. Good thing is only 1 should be there so I have no choice.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

How does he remind you of Lopez? I think Lopez is a decent enough center, but he and Len could not be any more different.

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Lopez with athleticism is a top center in the league.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Lopez with athleticism is a top center in the league.

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Possibly. That is why I cannot see the Len-Lopez comparison. Lopez has nowhere near the athleticism of Len or similar offensive game.