If we pick Burke…?

It is starting to look like Burke is the pick. If that is the case, what would be the point guard situation next year? A few questions come to mind:

1 is Burke ready to start in the NBA straight away?
If the answer is yes, then do we keep Vasquez as backup or trade Vasquez and trust Roberts?
If the answer is yes, would Vasquez agree to be Burke's back up?
If the answer is no, can Vasquez really refuse given the fact that he has a year left in his contract?
If the answer to question 1 is no, then again do we keep Vasquez to start at the beginning and then transition into Burke? Or do we look for an additional upgrade for the PG position?

Yes Burke is NBA ready. Yes we trade Vasquez. No we don't go with Roberts, we go with Rivers at backup PG.

I'm confused. How is it starting to look like Burke? If anything with Len moving up it looks like Porter.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm confused. How is it starting to look like Burke? If anything with Len moving up it looks like Porter.

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Regardless of this, what would happen if we pick Burke?

I think Burke IQ and shooting allows him to start day one. He's continue to add muscle from his freshman year to now. If we take him might as well let him take his lumps. Trey is the kid that is motivated by failure and doubters so I'm not worried about easing him in.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think Burke IQ and shooting allows him to start day one. He's continue to add muscle from his freshman year to now. If we take him might as well let him take his lumps. Trey is the kid that is motivated by failure and doubters so I'm not worried about easing him in.

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So if that is the case, what is the answer to the other questions?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think Burke IQ and shooting allows him to start day one. He's continue to add muscle from his freshman year to now. If we take him might as well let him take his lumps. Trey is the kid that is motivated by failure and doubters so I'm not worried about easing him in.

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It's not about what YOU would do, it's about what Monty will do. Look at Monty's track record and what he values. Now, taking yourself out of the equation, how many MPG do you think Burke would play in his rookie year?

I think if we take Burke, which I do not see happening for certain like you say, he will become the starter. This pick would have to mean that Austin Rivers is not going to stay at point guard. Why would you spend back to back top 10 picks on point guards? So they would move Austin to back up shooting guard and Vasquez to back up point guard. I really hope this is not the case as I would rather bring in a wing or center.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It's not about what YOU would do, it's about what Monty will do. Look at Monty's track record and what he values. Now, taking yourself out of the equation, how many MPG do you think Burke would play in his rookie year?

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Return of the Mac?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w

If you are right and he starts from day one, do you think Vasquez will be cool being his backup? It is very different being the backup of a rookie, than being the backup PG of an elite player.

Considering the current Point guards we have, I think he starts. I personally believe that he's Nba ready and can start from day 1. But this scenario is very simple imo; Whoever performs the best at training camp, and whoever Monty feels give them the best chance of being successful will start. I personally believe that it will be Burke

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It's not about what YOU would do, it's about what Monty will do. Look at Monty's track record and what he values. Now, taking yourself out of the equation, how many MPG do you think Burke would play in his rookie year?

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i would start burke day 1, try and trade GV and hold onto roberts because he is so cheap, yes rivers is the backup PG/SG but if Gordon goes down Rivers will start at SG and we will need roberts to backup PG.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

i would start burke day 1, try and trade GV and hold onto roberts because he is so cheap, yes rivers is the backup PG/SG but if Gordon goes down Rivers will start at SG and we will need roberts to backup PG.

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I think you start Vasquez and try and move him and showcase him while Burke is learning. Once you move him, you start Burke.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think you start Vasquez and try and move him and showcase him while Burke is learning. Once you move him, you start Burke.

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So Vasquez starting until the trade deadline, and Burke after that... interesting

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think you start Vasquez and try and move him and showcase him while Burke is learning. Once you move him, you start Burke.

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well with burke, an improving rivers, and a healthy gordon i see no way GV repeats his same season he had last year so i'd like to get rid of him now because i think his value is the highest it will be, just my opinion though

Rivers, Gordon, Vasquez, Roberts, and Burke would be fun to watch; no matter who starts.

i dont care how bad burke is supposed to be on D, he is better than GV and if we got Iggy we basically improved our offense AND defense at the PG and SF spot.

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I would agree with you if he did not have that operation. IMO his trade value is lower now because of the unknown results of the surgery. If he plays a few games at the beginning of the season, his value then would be maximized (as long as he is healthy)

Knicks need a backup PG. Wonder if they'd give up Shumpert for Vasquez? Or maybe the 24th pick for Vasquez.

Draft Burke at 6.
...at 24 we grab Hardaway Jr.
......next year we draft Glenn Robinson III.
............Hire Jalen Rose as mascot...

dont think they do GV for shumpert straight up, wonder if we could give them gv and roberts for shumpert, i would do that.

If we draft Burke which I'm still not sold on then I question if he gets the start. I doubt Rivers will be very happy about the situation as everything he's said is he's the PG. I also really doubt Monty would have AD and Rivers playing together all offseason to just had the reigns over to Burke.

If Burke is drafted then he's going to have to fight for backup minutes with Roberts. I also think you have to move Gravy as there's simply not enough minutes to go around. Basically, drafting Burke means they've thrown in the towel on Rivers and REALLY jacked up his development. Think about it, two years in and you went from back up Pg to starting SG, back to backup PG, and entire offseason of nothing but PG practice, and then finally back up SG? I simply don't see that as the way you treat someone you were fully expecting to be a project. You're just setting him up for failure.

This is why I don't see us taking Burke. He can only play one position and needs the ball in his hands. I think Rivers is already a better defender than Burke is going to be in the NBA also. He might be more PG ready but I don't think he's going to be starter ready. So, if we drafted him I think he gets backup minutes until he can prove he deserves more. If he can improve off the ball then I can see him getting more minutes. Although I think a Burke/Gordon back court is awfully short.

shumpert is an elite on ball defender and has a great 3 point shot.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

If we draft Burke which I'm still not sold on then I question if he gets the start. I doubt Rivers will be very happy about the situation as everything he's said is he's the PG. I also really doubt Monty would have AD and Rivers playing together all offseason to just had the reigns over to Burke.

If Burke is drafted then he's going to have to fight for backup minutes with Roberts. I also think you have to move Gravy as there's simply not enough minutes to go around. Basically, drafting Burke means they've thrown in the towel on Rivers and REALLY jacked up his development. Think about it, two years in and you went from back up Pg to starting SG, back to backup PG, and entire offseason of nothing but PG practice, and then finally back up SG? I simply don't see that as the way you treat someone you were fully expecting to be a project. You're just setting him up for failure.

This is why I don't see us taking Burke. He can only play one position and needs the ball in his hands. I think Rivers is already a better defender than Burke is going to be in the NBA also. He might be more PG ready but I don't think he's going to be starter ready. So, if we drafted him I think he gets backup minutes until he can prove he deserves more. If he can improve off the ball then I can see him getting more minutes. Although I think a Burke/Gordon back court is awfully short.

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Unless they aren't married to the idea of Rivers as an NBA point guard. He's not too small to play the two ... 6'4 isn't ideal there, but it's taller than a lot of twos, including our own. You don't pass up on the best guy on your board for a project. Now, if they've got a guy equal to Burke there then sure, I can see that.

Still, the fact that of the guys we brought to work out, two of the most notable are the 2 PGs in this draft, plus Demps talking about moving Vasquez off the point (and Rivers isn't ready for them to even entertain that this offseason, unless they're planning on adding a pg) ... I think that Burke is pretty much the favorite to go at our pick (unless Porter falls, in which case I think he's the pick).

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Knicks need a backup PG. Wonder if they'd give up Shumpert for Vasquez? Or maybe the 24th pick for Vasquez.

Draft Burke at 6.
...at 24 we grab Hardaway Jr.
......next year we draft Glenn Robinson III.
............Hire Jalen Rose as mascot...

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I could see them having some interest in Greivis, but not for Shumpert. But aside from a draft pick I'm not sure what they could legitimately offer us.