Two of the top 7 Big Men in the League

[WhoDatPelican]

I don't think the majority of people asked would say that Ryan Anderson is 'better' than Blake Griffin as an overall player.

I'm the minority! Mostly cause I am a Griffin hater.

[hornetslover89]

Griffin ranked fifth. That's not exactly something to be ashamed about. Fifth best big in the league according to this dumb stat. I just think this particular stat is rather silly. Have you looked at the equations?

Example:


The complete formula is: TmAst/TmFGM * (1.53 - 1.442 * [Ast/Min / (TmAst/(TmMin/5))] -0.041 * ((OReb/Min)*48) - 0.787*Usage + 0.014*(3A/FGA)^2*(1/Usage)^2)


http://www.sonicscentral.com/warp.html

When I saw that fomula, I began having nightmares from Statistic, Derivatives and Calculus from college.

[FlyGirl]

I'm the minority! Mostly cause I am a Griffin hater.

I hear you WhoDatHornet.

[sfernald]

When I saw that fomula, I began having nightmares from Statistic, Derivatives and Calculus from college.

Gives people something to do as they wait desperately for the season to begin (damn it).

[sfernald]

I hear you WhoDatHornet.

Don't be a Griffin hater. He is my favorite player. You dont want to hurt my feelings do you? But no doubt AD is creeping up there as my favorite too! Dude is going to be the combined force of KAJ and BR.

[FlyGirl]

Don't be a Griffin hater. He is my favorite player. You dont want to hurt my feelings do you? But no doubt AD is creeping up there as my favorite too! Dude is going to be the combined force of KAJ and BR.

Don't quote me as being a Griffin hater. I just said I hear WhoDatHornet. Is your reply button only allowing you to quote me in this thread?

But you might be hurting greewe's feelings by leaving him hanging like that.

[The JNR]

I'm not a Griffin hater because I realize the vast majority of Griffin hate is misdirected. People don't dislike Blake himself, they just hate the fact that ESPN has crowned him a superstar. People are quick to point out Blake's flaws but every player has flaws; the only reason Blake's matter so much to people is because they get told how great he is every day. Blake Griffin hate is reactionary. He's a funny guy with good comedic timing, and he puts up good numbers.

[nolaslim213]

I'm not a Griffin hater because I realize the vast majority of Griffin hate is misdirected. People don't dislike Blake himself, they just hate the fact that ESPN has crowned him a superstar. People are quick to point out Blake's flaws but every player has flaws; the only reason Blake's matter so much to people is because they get told how great he is every day. Blake Griffin hate is reactionary. He's a funny guy with good comedic timing, and he puts up good numbers.

I don't like Blake Griffin because he is a prick. He'll dunk on someone and stare them down, when everyone knows he is one of the softest crybabies in the league. He is also one of the biggest floppers in the league, and I can't respect a player like that.

[The JNR]

I don't like Blake Griffin because he is a prick. He'll dunk on someone and stare them down, when everyone knows he is one of the softest crybabies in the league. He is also one of the biggest floppers in the league, and I can't respect a player like that.

Sure, but I think those two traits -- which are VERY common in the NBA -- are demonized even more in Blake. I definitely don't think he stares down people after dunks more than anybody else. And you can argue that stuff like Bosh's dinosaur roar and Dikembe's finger wag are/were just as bad. Flopping is a good point, but I feel like Blake gets outright hatred for it while Paul, Wade, and Pierce don't get nearly as much hate -- they get mentioned and mocked, sure, but I find that the comments about Blake are much more vitriolic. I think people just hated the fact that they were being force-fed Blake Griffin, and the reasons came from there.

[BallSoHard]

Sure, but I think those two traits -- which are VERY common in the NBA -- are demonized even more in Blake. I definitely don't think he stares down people after dunks more than anybody else. And you can argue that stuff like Bosh's dinosaur roar and Dikembe's finger wag are/were just as bad. Flopping is a good point, but I feel like Blake gets outright hatred for it while Paul, Wade, and Pierce don't get nearly as much hate -- they get mentioned and mocked, sure, but I find that the comments about Blake are much more vitriolic. I think people just hated the fact that they were being force-fed Blake Griffin, and the reasons came from there.

See that's the problem. Blake wants to dunk on people and stare them down to intimidate players like a tough guy but he flops. Either dunk on people, stare at them and not flop, or dunk on people and walk away, and don't axct like your some tough intimidation type guy. There's no reason a 6'10" 260 pound guy should be flopping. It's why people hated Vlade Divac and it's why Dirk always had so much heat on flopping.

[Eman5805]

I have no respect for Blake. He should be a dominant force on both ends, but he'd rather flop around like a flaccid cephalopod. Don't give two damns about him.

[The JNR]

Well I obviously stand corrected. Maybe I was just judging based on what espn commenters say.

[sfernald]

Don't quote me as being a Griffin hater. I just said I hear WhoDatHornet. Is your reply button only allowing you to quote me in this thread?

But you might be hurting greewe's feelings by leaving him hanging like that.

I think greewe's post got answered just fine by another user.

Anyway, flopping is illegal now so we can stop all that talk about Blake being a flopper unless he starts racking up fines. He didn't flop once in the pre-season. His defense is much improved this year too, along its his jump shot.

But man, can barly wait until the season starts.

[BallSoHard]

Well I obviously stand corrected. Maybe I was just judging based on what espn commenters say.

He's got the talent to be a tier 2 type player, like that Vince Carter and T Mac were back in the day.

[BallSoHard]

I think greewe's post got answered just fine by another user.

Anyway, flopping is illegal now so we can stop all that talk about Blake being a flopper unless he starts racking up fines. He didn't flop once in the pre-season. His defense is much improved this year too, along its his jump shot.

But man, can barly wait until the season starts.

Let's not rush to judgement on what the preseason offered either.

[Eman5805]

I think greewe's post got answered just fine by another user.

Anyway, flopping is illegal now so we can stop all that talk about Blake being a flopper unless he starts racking up fines. He didn't flop once in the pre-season. His defense is much improved this year too, along its his jump shot.

But man, can barly wait until the season starts.

I don't owe Blake a thing. The damage has already been done. Respect has been lost like paradise.

[Kibner]

He's got the talent to be a tier 2 type player, like that Vince Carter and T Mac were back in the day.

If that is Tier 2, who in the world is ever Tier 1? Prime Jordan and Shaq? Maybe prime Garnett/Duncan? VC and T Mac were ridiculous in their best seasons.

And there isn't enough stare-downs and smack talk nowadays. I love watching that stuff.

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[Metairie Hornet]

I have no respect for Blake. He should be a dominant force on both ends, but he'd rather flop around like a flaccid cephalopod. Don't give two damns about him.

I agree and I think he's overrated.

[BallSoHard]

If that is Tier 2, who in the world is ever Tier 1? Prime Jordan and Shaq? Maybe prime Garnett/Duncan? VC and T Mac were ridiculous in their best seasons.

And there isn't enough stare-downs and smack talk nowadays. I love watching that stuff.

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You hit the nail on the head. Kobe prime, Shaq Prime, Lebron prime, Garnett, Duncan etc. They were ridiculous but not Great. Neither were renown defenders in their haydays IMO. T Mac hasnt even won a playoff series and Carter never really made much noise in the playoffs until past his prime.

[bradael]

If that is Tier 2, who in the world is ever Tier 1? Prime Jordan and Shaq? Maybe prime Garnett/Duncan? VC and T Mac were ridiculous in their best seasons.

And there isn't enough stare-downs and smack talk nowadays. I love watching that stuff.

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Carter & T Mac never played any defense. LeBron isn't the MVP just because of his offensive numbers. He's 1st team defense every year. He'll score 30 and hold his guy to under his average.

I haven't watched the Clippers this preseason except for their game against the Nuggets, so I'll have to wait and see if Griffin really improved his defense, but that's clearly his biggest issue. He puts up gawdy numbers, but when he plays against another elite big, he struggles. He's also limited defensively due to his length kinda like Kevin Love (both at 6'11.25" wingspan - shoot, LeBron was 7'0.25" out of high school and Wade was 6'10.75").

[da ThRONe]

The fact that a rookie is on it should leave this list completed voided.

I think advance stats are great to keep things in perspective, but to rest solely on them is an awful way to decide talent level and value.

[Purple Haze]

See that's the problem. Blake wants to dunk on people and stare them down to intimidate players like a tough guy but he flops. Either dunk on people, stare at them and not flop, or dunk on people and walk away, and don't axct like your some tough intimidation type guy. There's no reason a 6'10" 260 pound guy should be flopping. It's why people hated Vlade Divac and it's why Dirk always had so much heat on flopping.

I have no respect for Blake. He should be a dominant force on both ends, but he'd rather flop around like a flaccid cephalopod. Don't give two damns about him.

Pretty much have it covered here. He's lazy, so he flops. It's beyond annoying.

[jdmcuc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehl52...&feature=g-u-u

dunno whether or not i should have started a new thread. found it funny

[sipclip]

There is no way that Anderson is a top 10 big let alone top 3. Just to name a few bigs that are clearly better Anderson.

Dwight
Griffin
Aldridge
Duncan
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Al Horford
David Lee
Zach Randolph
Garnett
Dirk
Nene
Greg Monroe
Bosh
Love
Chandler
Amare
Bogut ( if healthy )

Then there are a bunch of others that would be a toss up.

Noah
Varejao
Boozer
Gortat
Pekovic
Ibaka
Millsap
Jefferson
Brooke Lopez
Hibbert
David West
Cousins
Bargnani

[FlyGirl]

There is no way that Anderson is a top 10 big let alone top 3. Just to name a few bigs that are clearly better Anderson.

Dwight
Griffin
Aldridge
Duncan
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Al Horford
David Lee
Zach Randolph
Garnett
Dirk
Nene
Greg Monroe
Bosh
Love
Chandler
Amare
Bogut ( if healthy )

Then there are a bunch of others that would be a toss up.

Noah
Varejao
Boozer
Gortat
Pekovic
Ibaka
Millsap
Jefferson
Brooke Lopez
Hibbert
David West
Cousins
Bargnani

This thread is more about how the bigs rank at that particular stat. Not who's 'better'.