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so you know people who are not renewing their season tickets for next year just because we traded chandler, what is wrong with us hornets fans??Originally Posted by Beezwax
I was there, I heard him say it. Opening night Shinn came center court and told the fan's thank you for the support and "we will do whatever it takes to win the NBA championship"
Oh really George! You should have said " We will do whatever it takes to win a championship except pay the luxury tax"
Way to go George, way to alienate all your new season ticket holders! It will be interesting to see what happens next year. Im still renewing but I have already talked to alot of people who are not renewing.
Are you seriously talking when you say we can beat for example:
----rondo
--r.allen-----pierce
-----garnett---perkins
They probably are mad because they realize Posey brings little to the table (Durant toasted him all night, yet he's supposed to stop Kobe and Manu in May? LOL.) and now we had to let go of a real force in the paint. AND we're in terrible shape for next year as we need a 5 and a slashing 2 and have the room for neither. AND we didn't get a single measly draft pick from OKC who has 4 extras to spare.
Yep he missed the boat on this one big time. It sounds like he is taking
it more personal then looking at it strictly as a business move that ultimately in my opinion we turn out to be a good move. Say what you want about what was or what he still could be the botton line is Chandler is currently "damaged goods" that was not playing well even when healthy. As I said before I'm surprised there were any takers considering he's been on the bench for 5 weeks.
i read the post and said i didn't take it seriously.
i compare them to the teams throughout the league and see many teams with a better starting 5 (Bos, Por, LA, Clev, Det, Orl, Den, Phi, Utah, Dal) what those those teams don't have is CP3 he makes the Starting 5 and team go.
self hater? hahahahahahaha i'm just a realist and see things for what they are. Tyson wasn't getting it done on a consistent basis, therefore he was expendable. the only player on this team not expendable is CP3. he almost single handedly lead us to the confrence finals it wasn't working out this year so they are making moves to fix that. they are clearing cap room to build around CP3 something they shoulda did in the first place instead of aquiring high priced Vets.
many TC supporters are bringing up the fact we were 21-11 with him and 10-9 without him. i understand this and don't think Hilton is the answer, but you fail to overlook we are getting 2 proven post players in return. both guys can score and defend and will bring a Defensive presence in the middle that we lacked with TC out. before when TC got in foul trouble he'd go to the bench and leave a void. now we have 12 fouls from the C position and guys who will play their effectively.
CP3 knows it's a bussiness and with the Hornets clearing cap space and the Peja deal coming off in '10 we will be in prime position to attract a player or players in the great FA of '10 who will come in and make CP3 a happy camper and help us contend for a tittle.
chill out and let the trade obsolve. this team was not gonna win a championship this year or next year with the current Roster and the Salary cap hell we are in. i think fans will be happy by what we get from Smith and Wilcox
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
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Exactly it's all about business and nothing personal.
The next move I see is coaching if the Hornets don't
at least make the playoffs.
Posey is the reason that we were over the luxury cap and had to dump Chandler for nothing.
Facts are facts.
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But that still doesn't mean the players feel that Posey brings little to the table. You're thinking for the players now.
Soooo . . . you're saying Bower was really able to pull the wool over Sam Presti's eyes on this one?
When did Wilcox become a great, or even very good, defender?
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Yesterday afternoon.
Do both of these contracts come off the books after this year?
As far as on court play and how Smith and Wilcox fit in, I'm going to give them a few games before I pass judgement. Tyson was a loved player for various reasons, but I don't see a big drop-off on actual production from Chandler to Wilcox.
I can say one thing, Smith coming in off the bench for D-West instead of Marks is an upgrade, IMO.
And, tbh, I have no idea what kind of player Hardin is.
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^Oh snap!
This season the Hornets might not get the money anyway and it has nothing to do with state shortfalls, we are going to reach the benchmarks therefore the Hornets will get nothing.
Let's say we do not reach the benchmarks then the Hornets get 4 million. That's it, 4 million bucks ... chump change and would hardly make the Hornets more competitive, able to go over the cap, or make us a more attractive franchise.
The money problems with the Hornets are not on us, the fans or state, it's on poor Shinn and his own personal monetary problems. He could be in Los Angeles, running the Lakers, and he would still be broke.
CP3 is right - He made chandler a better player.
Amen and amen.
Bash the trade all ya want but nobody is turning back the hands of time.
Bower did make some bad contracts, but so be it, he has done more good than bad. Why hang him out to dry?
I am very interested in this Hardin kid as well. Just because he is a second rounder doesn't make him a bust, or make him great. He hasn't seen the nba court yet so we really don't know what we have. With any luck he can come in a shine like Manu, TP, and others have after making the Euro jump, at worst he nets us a rasuel butler, kirk snyder combo for his rights.
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I'd like to see what Hardin brings in Summer League, I'm not expecting anything though.
neither am I but we can all wish we salvage something from this trade.
who was the guy on wwl floating the rumor joe smith was going to retire at years end? Did he come out and say that??
I think the Hornets saw enough in Hardin to make them interested enough to have him included in the deal. He obviously wasn't needed in the deal to make the monies work and for Pete's sake...OKC had 5 1st rd picks to choose from and the Hornets went with Hardin...hmm...I hope they see something special in Hardin, maybe the next "Tyson Chandler" in the sense of how he played with Paul, but a better offensive player - that would be awesome!
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I doubt Smith has said anything concrete at this point, but at his age he will most likely retire of play for a SA or L.A type team.
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Slow your roll, mate! Let's see if he can ball in the summer league before proclaming him our next starting C.
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