Lawson has a gear that we need against the best.
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Lawson has a gear that we need against the best.
Eye test? Honestly how many games did you see Curry play to get this eye test? Jrue played half a season also. I know I won't get a truthful answer but I guarantee you didn't see 10 regular season Warriors games. I watched atleast half with that being my 2nd favorite team and Curry is definitely not a better defender than Holiday. He is a good one and great at getting steals but no way is he a better overal defender.
Out of sight, out of mind is going on strong, I see.
Lets see Curry
BBAll Reference: 101 Def Rating(lower is better)
NBA.com: 97 Def Rating.
Defensive Real +/-: 1.69(4th in the league, higher is better)
Jrue:
BBALL Reference: 107
NBA.com:105
Defensive Real +/-: .79
Curry really turned it up defensively this year and if we really want to play this game we can tit for tat the game day threads where people were complaining about Jrue taking quarters and games off defensively and whether Asik or our guards were more to blame for our poor rim protection. I actually did a little statistical breakdown on our guards poor defense making Asik look worse then he is at protecting the rim.
Now, back to my point. Jrue has the potential and the measurables to be great. With the right discipline and system he can and should become a consistent elite defender. But his time in New Orleans he has not been one consistently.
No defensive metrics are perfect, that is why I didn't lean on any one metric. It is also why I further added to my post my own observations.
Let me add another one, DFG%: the % of the shooter the player is defending.
Curry: 40%
Jrue:43%
Im looking for something that makes this notion that Curry was a superior defender this season so laughable, but I guess the argument against me is basically empty because no one has offered much so far. The only metric I found in Jrues favor was the overall FG% of the shooter the player guarded most. Where they broke even at 43%. But with so much switching and such on both teams it is a worse metric then DFG% to me. Which focuses only on the shots each player was actively defending their primary match up.
I mean we can go to the eye test but the eye test shows that Jrue took games and quarters off plenty of games since coming here. His consistency has been anything but consistent. When he is on he is arguably as god as anyone but he isn't always on.
Last edited by N.O.Bronco; 05-25-2015 at 09:53 PM.
You must have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Holiday. Like the guy said Conley and Beverly who you consider elite are near last amongst starting PGs using the stats. You can't use these to make your point for one guy then not for the others. Stuff like this never tells the full story on a player like many stats don't. Curry improved a lot defensively and is a good defensive PG. he is definitely not an elite one and he is definitely not better than Holiday. Like I said Holiday is definitely in the top tier of defensive PGs and I have seen many great basketball minds say the same also. Doug Collins called him one of the best defensive PGs he has seen in a long time with how versatile he is being able to guard both guard positions and even lock down some SFs. So do these stats back up you stating that Conley and Beverly are in the elite above Holiday?
Haha take the L? I'm not trying to win anything but it seems like your feelings are a little hurt now that someone has called you out. You try to justify how much better Curry is because of these stats you are using yet the same guys in Conley and Beverly you are saying are elite have terrible stats. Like I said you can't use these to make your point on 1 guy then go discredit them regarding someone else. I will take the L though to make you feel better. I know it must suck to throw out stuff to prove your point and have it thrown right back for you to backtrack and say no defensive metrics are not perfect that's why you didn't lean on one. Yet you did lean on them but only to prove it for Curry just not your other guys hah. You win congrats!
Last edited by GuardianAngel25; 05-25-2015 at 09:58 PM.
Where is your substance?
I provided now 4 metrics that while flawed are all well respected, Def. Rating is considered industry standard and seems to always be used around here but now when it doesnt make Jrue look good we have to dismiss it.
Cognitive dissonance distilled.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/1
Curry is the only guy you listed as the "elite" ahead of Holiday on this list. You are presenting stats that just contradict the other guys you are trying to say are better. So you are only presenting things to make you argument the right one. If you go look at pat years Holiday is up there as one of the top defensive PGs who is a starter in almost everything I have looked at. Done arguing with you I'll take the L haha. Like I said you are throwing out stats that make the other guys you list look terrible. You mention how Curry is 4th but decided to leave out Conley and Beverly. I'm done.
Yea so cringe worthy hahaha! Man your feelings are really hurt that your points your making only benefit Curry just no one else you listed. Curry is 4th I will give you that but where is everyone else you listed? Right behind Holiday or very far behind haha. Now I'm really done not worth my time.
Last edited by GuardianAngel25; 05-25-2015 at 10:15 PM.
EG and Q Pon for Ty and W Chandler works.
PG. Ty
SG. Jrue
SF. Chandler
PF. Mvp AD
C. Monroe
With a bench of Evans, Ryno, Cole, Cunningham and Withey.
i think curry is a fine defender and has improved that part of his game, but I don't think he is on Jrue's level. The only player besides Jrue that I have seen harass and give people like Kyrie, Rose, Wall and players of that nature problems is patrick beverly. Avery bradley and Bledsoe are pretty darn good too. But jrue's footwork and ability to stay in front of people is elite, don't care what anyone says. People saying it didn't look like it this year, well he was playing on a bum leg.
Last edited by HornetGuru; 05-25-2015 at 11:11 PM.
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