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Thread: DraftExpress: Situational Statistics: the 2013 Point Guard Crop

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    Draft DraftExpress: Situational Statistics: the 2013 Point Guard Crop

    Quote Originally Posted by On Trey Burke
    Trey Burke is widely considered the top point guard available in the 2013 draft and nothing we found in studying his situational stats would lead us to believe otherwise. He does not stand out in a major way on paper, but ranks well across the board and excels in a few key areas that should aid him in his transition to the next level.

    Looking at the bigger picture, Burke's 18.5 possessions per-game, 0.999 overall points per-possessions (PPP), and 11.5% turnover rate all place him in the top-six of those respective categories. Erick Green, C.J. McCollum, and Nate Wolters all rank similarly well by those standards, and maybe even a little better, but Burke's standing in both usage and efficiency are especially impressive considering the quality of defense he faced on a nightly basis in the Big Ten and the pressure associated with being the top threat on a National Championship caliber team.

    Burke did his best work as a scorer in the half court, where he once again hovers around the top-five in usage and efficiency. More a facilitator in transition, Burke sports a terrific 4.3-to-1 assist to turnover ratio on the fast break. His biggest weakness relative to his peer group may be his average scoring efficiency in transition, which is mostly due to the fact he got to the line on a sample worse 12.3% of his transition possessions.

    Perhaps more so than any position in the NBA, point guards are defined by their ability to excel in one particular situation: the pick and roll. While Trey Burke ranks well in both the number of possessions he used dribble off of ball screens and the rate at which he turned them into points, what is truly remarkable about his numbers in the two-man game is the degree to which he valued the ball. Turning it over on just 8.2% of his pick and roll possessions, Burke's command of the ball makes him the only player with a single-digit turnover percentage.

    Aside from the pick and roll, Burke ranks average to above average as a spot-up shooter, isolation scorer, and off screen threat. A 44.7% jump shooter off the catch and effective slasher with his left hand, Burke is a crafty shot creator with an array of weapons at his disposal to get the ball in the basket.

    His biggest weapon as a scorer is his pull-up jump shot, which accounted for a sample leading 46.4% of his attempts in the half court last season. Yielding 1.01 points per-shot, Burke's pull-up is on par with Damian Lillard's coming out of Weber State (1 PPP) and was almost more effective for him than a finishing opportunity, where his 1.052 points per-shot ranks below average. It will be worth tracking how Burke fares when he attacks the rim at the next level, as his shooting at the basket and ability to create easy opportunities for himself at the line could be the key to his ability to take the next step as a pro.

    Quote Originally Posted by On CJ McCollum
    -Every year there's a player who puts up outrageous numbers in a season shortened by any number of factors. That player this season is C.J. McCollum, who ranked third in overall usage at 20.8 possessions per-game and first in scoring efficiency at a tremendous 1.104 points per-possession.

    Ranking second in both transition scoring efficiency at 1.26 PPP and half court scoring efficiency at 1.065 PPP, it was McCollum's prolific jump shooting prior to injuring his foot that helps him here. Connecting on more than 50% of his jump shots overall, with splits of 49% off the dribble and 61% off the catch, McCollum leads this group in field goal percentage on the pick and roll and in spot-up situations and ranks second one-on-one thanks to his hot perimeter shooting as a senior. Knocking down 36.6% of his jump shots in 35 games as a junior, McCollum clearly benefits from some sample size bias, but has a proven track record of being able to put pressure on opposing defenses with his ability to score from all over the court.

    A slightly above average finisher and foul drawer, if McCollum has a true weakness on paper in this limited sample of games, it is that his profile reinforces that the role he filled was more aligned with playing off the ball than those of his peers. He did less creating for his teammates on the pick and roll than any player other than Lorenzo Brown at 2.6 pass outs to possessions per-game, well below the average of 6.1, and used screens without the ball to get open for 12% of his possessions, almost double the next closest player in this group.

    Doing what he needed to as a scorer to lead Lehigh to wins, McCollum has acknowledged in interviews that he's prepared to make whatever adjustments he's asked to make as a lead guard at the next level to fit in stylistically.
    Quote Originally Posted by On Michael Carter-Williams
    -This study is not kind to Michael Carter-Williams who ranks as the least efficient scorer in this group at 0.746 points per-possession. His 22.1% overall turnover rate is the second worst among his peers, as is his 0.683 PPP in the half court. Those two stats are representative of the two key areas his scouting report notes he need to make strides in to reach his potential as a pro: his decision-making and perimeter shooting.

    Turning the ball over on 28% of his pick and roll possessions, the highest among his peers, ball security was an area of concern for Carter-Williams in the half court last season. Sporting a 3.6 assist to turnover ratio in transition, he's more efficient as a playmaker in the open floor at this point in his career.

    Carter-Williams' well documented issues as a shooter cost him here as well, as his 26.2% shooting on pull-up jumpers and 28% shooting off the catch are a major limiting factor on his scoring ability in the half court, resulting in his ranks as the second worst spot-up and 5th worst pick and roll shooter in this group.

    Often lauded for his ability to score at the rim, a bit of fishing shows that Carter-Williams shoots a slightly below average 48.8% as a finisher in the half court, though he compensates by shooting nearly 60% at the basket as the ball-handler in transition.

    While Carter-Williams doesn't look great here, this doesn't reveal anything teams don't already know about him. Whoever drafts him will be excited about his size, solid one-on-one ability, athleticism in the open floor, and the player he has the opportunity to become as he begins to work on his two very much improvable weaknesses.
    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...uard-Crop-4268

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    What about Wolters?

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    Since Wolters isn't in the discussion at 6, I didn't include him. There's more to the article if you click on the link.

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    The clear frontrunner is Burke. I don't even know how it can be debated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    The clear frontrunner is Burke. I don't even know how it can be debated.
    If we are talking about as just an offensive prospect, I tend to agree even though I love McCollum's shooting ability. But if we are talking about everything and we recognize that defense is 50% of the game, I think it can be debated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    Since Wolters isn't in the discussion at 6, I didn't include him. There's more to the article if you click on the link.
    Great link. Yea, wolters is my new favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    If we are talking about as just an offensive prospect, I tend to agree even though I love McCollum's shooting ability. But if we are talking about everything and we recognize that defense is 50% of the game, I think it can be debated.
    I think Monty could get a lot out of Burke defensively. He won't be dominant, but he can be above average and perhaps even special in crunch time. His understand of basketball, angles, and how plays develop should help him become great at playing the passing lanes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    I think Monty could get a lot out of Burke defensively. He won't be dominant, but he can be above average and perhaps even special in crunch time. His understand of basketball, angles, and how plays develop should help him become great at playing the passing lanes.
    Right, but if he can get a lot out of Burke, then he should be able to get a ton out of MCW, right?

    My point wasn't that Burke was bad defensively, it was that if Burke is an 8 overall offensively, CJ is a 7, and MCW is a 6

    But MCW is an 8 defensively, CJ a 7, and Burke a 6, then its a debate right?

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    I don't trust Syracuse players to not bust. Burke looks like he could be a solid starter and third/fourth option. CJ looks like a sixth man. Meh describes my attitude towards these players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    Right, but if he can get a lot out of Burke, then he should be able to get a ton out of MCW, right?

    My point wasn't that Burke was bad defensively, it was that if Burke is an 8 overall offensively, CJ is a 7, and MCW is a 6

    But MCW is an 8 defensively, CJ a 7, and Burke a 6, then its a debate right?
    Sure, except Cj isn't a 7 defensively, and MCW isn't a 6 offensively.

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    I'm not sure MCW is an 8 defensively either. Syracuse played a lot of zone, so I am not sure how his defense translates. He clearly is not a 6 offensively if Burke is an 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    I'm not sure MCW is an 8 defensively either. Syracuse played a lot of zone, so I am not sure how his defense translates. He clearly is not a 6 offensively if Burke is an 8.
    Agreed. The only argument for MCW is potential, and I'm not high on his ceiling. Again, Burke is the clear frontrunner.

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    If I were picking I am not so sure it would be that simple for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    Agreed. The only argument for MCW is potential, and I'm not high on his ceiling. Again, Burke is the clear frontrunner.
    But isn't potential such a huge factor for who you should take, or at least who you should debate taking? The most NBA ready players don't go 1,2,3,4,5, etc.

    That is part of the equation. If you are saying that there is no debate whether Burke is better right now, this minute, maybe you have a case.

    But if you are saying that nobody should debate which point guard should go first in this draft because Burke is clearly the guy destined to have the best career, I disagree. There is a debate to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsl05 View Post
    What about Wolters?
    after watching welters struggle to get his shot off in the tourney (from a clear lack of athleticism), I'm not expecting him to be very impactful

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    Funny how you could draw a parallel between a Burke/MCW and a Zeller/Len debate.
    On one side you have MCW and Len, both are bigger, more defensive-oriented, more athletic, higher potential guys.
    On the other side, Zeller and Burke, both successful in college, craftier and more experienced.

    And what is really fun is that according to the consensus Burke is the best PG while Len is the best C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    But isn't potential such a huge factor for who you should take, or at least who you should debate taking? The most NBA ready players don't go 1,2,3,4,5, etc.

    That is part of the equation. If you are saying that there is no debate whether Burke is better right now, this minute, maybe you have a case.

    But if you are saying that nobody should debate which point guard should go first in this draft because Burke is clearly the guy destined to have the best career, I disagree. There is a debate to be had.
    I guess I just feel like Burke still has a lot to improve on, so his ceiling is still high. MCW doesn't have the instincts to run a team. He turns the ball over way too much, and he can't shoot a lick.

    It's just not a contest IMO, but it's okay for us to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blattman View Post
    Funny how you could draw a parallel between a Burke/MCW and a Zeller/Len debate.
    On one side you have MCW and Len, both are bigger, more defensive-oriented, more athletic, higher potential guys.
    On the other side, Zeller and Burke, both successful in college, craftier and more experienced.

    And what is really fun is that according to the consensus Burke is the best PG while Len is the best C.
    Zeller is pretty significantly more athletic than Len.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeSoHornets504 View Post
    Zeller is pretty significantly more athletic than Len.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeSoHornets504 View Post
    Zeller is pretty significantly more athletic than Len.
    No surprise there, most NBA Power Forwards are more athletic than NBA Centers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    I guess I just feel like Burke still has a lot to improve on, so his ceiling is still high. MCW doesn't have the instincts to run a team. He turns the ball over way too much, and he can't shoot a lick.

    It's just not a contest IMO, but it's okay for us to disagree.
    I am not even saying we disagree. I am just addressing the "there is no debate" comment. There is a debate to be had here.

    And yeah, we do disagree, but not MCW vs. Burke. I would bet almost anything that if both stay healthy that CJ will have a better career than Burke, but that's neither here nor there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    I am not even saying we disagree. I am just addressing the "there is no debate" comment. There is a debate to be had here.

    And yeah, we do disagree, but not MCW vs. Burke. I would bet almost anything that if both stay healthy that CJ will have a better career than Burke, but that's neither here nor there.
    The question about CJ is whether he can play the point or not. He's 6'3-6'4 and can score. Is he just a SG? I like him too, but if he can't play the point, it takes some of his value away.

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    I can't stand the MCW angle. If he wasn't so tall no one would even give him two glances as a lottery pick. A 8 defensively? No way. And he's more like a 5 offensively. He's not Kendall Marshall bad, but it ain't good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelicans78 View Post
    The question about CJ is whether he can play the point or not. He's 6'3-6'4 and can score. Is he just a SG? I like him too, but if he can't play the point, it takes some of his value away.
    I agree, and we already have ONE young combo guard that we're trying to convince ourselves is a point guard.

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    No offense intended to anybody, but I don't buy that many of us have watched a ton of Lehigh games. The truth is that people look at his raw assist numbers and say that he can't play point guard.

    Now, I had CJ McCollum for the Sixth Pick Tournament so I had to really study him. I watched 5 full games, read a ton of articles, and did historical player comparisons. Long story short, yes he can play "point guard"- whatever that means. I don't understand how we act like that position is one thing. How can we say Rajon Rondo and Damian Lillard play the exact same position? How are their games similar?

    Positions are more about who you guard on defense. On offense, it is about having the right skill sets out there together. You don't want two or three ball dominant guys out there. You don't want five guys who can't hit a jumper, etc. McCollum actually plays a lot like Tony Parker. Excellent scorer in the pick and roll. Also can come off of screens off the ball, and yes, he can make plays for other. Like Lillard in college (their assist rates are very similar) he can make plays for others but why would a guy who shoots 50% from 2 and 51% from three be dying to pass the ball? With better talent in the NBA, I am positive he shares more.

    "He can't play point guard." I honestly don't even know what that sentence means, since point guards are so diverse. What I do know is that he can handle the ball, he can play on or off it, he can pass the ball, and he is fantastic in transition (1.26 ppp). He can defend point guards as well. So- Can he play point guard? Uh yeah, for whatever that question means.
    Last edited by MichaelMcNamara; 06-19-2013 at 08:11 AM.

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