this ought to fan some flames...would anyone give up Rivers to be able to draft CJ McCollum?
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this ought to fan some flames...would anyone give up Rivers to be able to draft CJ McCollum?
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I think one factor we have to add when talking about Rivers is the Monty factor. He's known to develop players I mean who would have thought Jason Smith would be this good a few years ago?
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Look at someone like Jamal Crawford and how ineffective he was in his first 3 years. He has now turned into one of the most dangerous scorers in the NBA. Rivers has all the ability to score just like him, but be a bigger and better defender. He is not done growing and works as hard as anybody. He is off to a bad start but he shows a way different ability then others. The stats do lie sometimes and other times they don't. In this case you have to give it 3 years at least to play out and see what type of player he is possibly going to be. Stats don't tell it but the eye test does. At times I see someone who is great and very aggressive like other greats. Other time he is a complete non factor and not involved in the game. This is all purely age and in experience factor just give him time.
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oh yea completely agree...i am hoping he gets better
i am bringing up the red flags now so we are aware of what history suggests...obviously, the season is not over...the point is if he keeps up this pace, then it is time to worry...and quite frankly it is time to worry just a little bit right now with him
4.6 points his rookie year with limited minutes? Then a spectacular 9.3 his second year and 10.7 in the 3rd. All im saying is it took Crawford a while so give Rivers time. Rivers is younger and being thrown into the lineup earlier then expected but in the long run will help out. I dont care if he has 15.99 thats exactly where the eye test comes in. He has played poorly for stretches but great at time. He was just a teenager haha come on. He will be exciting to watch year 3 just be patient.
The other factor here that makes this somewhat difficult to project is that there are so few one and done guards when pouring through the data. Bigs are more likely to come out and usually guards only come out (and succeed) if they are physically mature already - Tyreke Evans or if they are ultra quick natural point guards. Rivers is neither. Obviously he should have stayed in school for another year or two, but won't his NBA experience progress him faster than a sophomore season at Duke?
Here are the guards at his age that played 20+ minutes and their PER:
Kobe- 18.5
Tyreke- 18.2
Marbury-16.3
Rose- 16
Wall- 15.8
Westbrook- 15.2
Eric Gordon- 14.9
Bibby- 14.8
Jennings- 14.5
Harden- 14
Isiah Thomas (Det)- 14.5
Baron- 13
Then we have a level that Rivers can still reach
Conley- 12.6
Parker- 11.7
Brandon Knight- 11.7
JR Smith- 10.9
Company he is currently in:
Jamal Crawford (at 20)- 8.5
Jerryd Bayless- 8.2
Lance Stephenson- 5.5
Deshawn Stevenson- 4.3
Avery Bradley- 2.2
Either way, there are several players i his range now. Solid bench players, yes, but would that be a total bust if Rivers turned into a slightly better Jerryd Bayless? What about JR Smith?
The fact is that there are so few one and done guards that played big minutes in their rookie years. A guy like Damian Lillard would have been lost in this league 3 years ago, for instance. The question is: Would Austin have been better served being the man in college for another two years or will it be good for him to get his butt kicked in the NBA and learn that way?
We'll see.
I read all the optimism but I'd still like to know would anybody here trade for Rivers if he wasn't a Hornet? In other words if you were trying to make this team better, would Rivers be a piece that you'd want to add?
I strongly dislike PER stats. It does little to put stats in prospective. I don't think Rivers is the answer at the point and he'll be better suited in the Jamal Crawford/sixth man role. But I do think he can have an quality role with this team.
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right on cue...kevin pelton put up an article for espn insider today asking if austin rivers is having the worst season ever
we are replacing the worst starter in the league with eric gordon so that should be a huge bonus for us in terms of getting more wins this year
This is getting aggravating. Austin is not this bad.
That's why I hate the hype machine. The ONLY reason anyone would be stupid enough to bring that up is because Rivers has a famous last name. He's not even having the worst season ever this year, there are countless players who are worse. But no, because everyone and their mother talked about him all the time, his failures are magnified.
Austin's pedigree is not his fault. And any other player would be given much more patience than everyone is giving him.
Chill the hell out, everyone. It's a long season.
it seems to me that both you and da Throne do a pretty good job of removing your teal colored glasses before you come here....I don't have a problem in the world with that either, and your questions above might just be among the best I have heard asked around here in a while....I have to confess that I was intrigued with Rivers way, way before the draft and actually speculated exactly what the Hornets did when it came to him and potentially playing the point....now I am moving on and I would like to get your feelings pertaining to the very first post at the top of this page....I would have to sleep on the Rivers/McCollum thingie, but I can tell you now that I would probably be very, very close to pulling the trigger when I woke up....
I don't even know who that guy is. But it's almost a surety he hasn't watched a single game.
Classic yellow journalism.
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