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Thread: What trade packages, not just for AD, do you want? What’s realistic?

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    Tatum wouldn't mind being the future face of a franchise? Yes. YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacosman View Post
    yes of course this is possible. but you could say that about ANY CURRENT NBA TEAM(minus perhaps washington because of the wall contract) that sucks(and without AD we suck).

    Take any basically blank slate of suckitude, a pick or two, and a Holiday big contract type(decent player, not game changer) and sure it's possible that they are really good 4-5 years later, really promising, meandering aimlessly, continuing to engage in tanking/a process, etc.....having a general plan for going in a direction is fine, but it's the combination of excecution, luck, etc that determines how it plays out.
    I mean all we need going forward is a lot of lucky in the lottery, then to pick the right players, then to develop them, then to make savvy FO moves, then to attract a quality FA or two to a less desirable slot, and have it all come together......all that is possible I suppose but really damn hard.
    You're right, of course, but just as you could easily say that in several years, we could be in the worst position in the NBA, you could also easily say we'll be in the best.

    For example: If we're in the worst place in the NBA in the next 5 years, how? Well, we could trade all our first round picks for trash players (Hill standards), trade AD to the Lakers for Rondo and McGee, trade Jrue for Corey Brewer, and be absolute sewage.

    But say we take the NYK trade, get Zion, then he's all he's cracked up to be, Robinson learns how to not foul, DSJ's recent resurgence in NY is legitimate, and Knox becomes more efficient from the floor, the Mavs crash as Porzingis never comes back the same so we get another top 5 pick in 2021. That's best case scenario.

    So depending on the luck, we could either be the number 1 or the number 30 team in 5 years. Odds are is that the luck will fall somewhere in the middle of that. We just have to do the best we can executing on our plan. Of course it could go wrong, but it could go wrong for anyone. Next week, Curry's ankles shatter again and then this summer, Klay and KD walk. All of a sudden GS are a lottery team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    Tatum wouldn't mind being the future face of a franchise? Yes. YES!
    Where does it actually say that?
    Where was he quoted?

    Just Boston trying to get some leverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Where does it actually say that?
    Where was he quoted?

    Just Boston trying to get some leverage.
    It wasn't him talking. It was a report from a guest on Windorhorts podcast.

    https://twitter.com/WoahItsHunter/st...045650945?s=19

    I don't think that leverages Boston all that much. We wanted him regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    It wasn't him talking. It was a report from a guest on Windorhorts podcast.

    https://twitter.com/WoahItsHunter/st...045650945?s=19

    I don't think that leverages Boston all that much. We wanted him regardless.
    TY

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelicanchamp View Post
    I like the plan to trade AD to Boston. But Danny Ainge is slick. I think he’s gonna lowball the PELS. He will likely offer 3-4 first rounders but no Tatum. I think he’ll try to send us Gordon Hayward which wouldn’t be good because his contract is massive and he’s not that player since his injury. Ainge will try something like:

    GH, Horford and 3 first round picks. 2 2019 firsts and one 2021 1st. This would be a really crappy deal. If y’all think he’s not planning on keeping Tatum you’re wrong. He’s not trustworthy. If he offers Tatum he’ll still try getting rid of GH and maybe only offer 1-2 picks. Think about it. Whoever is GM better be ready. How would you approach the off-season?

    I would expect Tatum, Smart, Horford and 4 firsts from Boston. We send them AD AND Hill.

    If they turn it down don’t budge. I would have to get Tatum and Smart plus picks. Bottom line. They have to take Hill. If Ainge plays games then say the window will close very fast. No bluffing. Give us what we want or we go in a different direction. If he gives the pels what they want and there is no other team that can beat the offer then GET IT DONE ASAP.

    So imagine: we get Tatum, Smart, Horford and all 3 of the 2019 Celtics 1sts.

    We’d have our own 1st as well. 4 first rounders would be nice. Next move should be to trade a player like Moore and multiple 2nd rounders to a team that’s trying to contend. Maybe Bucks, GSW, Rockets etc. get a late 1st from one of those teams 21-27th pick.

    So then we are loaded with 5 1st round picks. Use the picks wisely. If possible move up in draft if we see a player that’s really special.




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    TATUM is a lock AND 2/3 1st round pick is a lock but look at BROWN AND HORFORD

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
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    LAKERS AND BOSTON ARE GOING TO BE IN A BIDING WAR AND THE PELICANS WILL CASH IN!! FEEL GOOD TO KNOW THAT TATUM WANTS TO BE THE MAN WITH THE NOLA PELICANS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltdee2019 View Post
    LAKERS AND BOSTON ARE GOING TO BE IN A BIDING WAR AND THE PELICANS WILL CASH IN!! FEEL GOOD TO KNOW THAT TATUM WANTS TO BE THE MAN WITH THE NOLA PELICANS
    Ok, who's pranking us? What in the world was that?

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    Horford isn't coming

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    Tatum/smart and pick number 8-16 vs knox/ dsj and pick number 1-3 vs lakers/ suns 3 way us getting TJ Warren/ Kuzma pick 1-3

    Am I way off with these? Of course other mid/late round picks can be included but at the core is this what we are leveraging? If not, what is better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams View Post
    Tatum/smart and pick number 8-16 vs knox/ dsj and pick number 1-3 vs lakers/ suns 3 way us getting TJ Warren/ Kuzma pick 1-3

    Am I way off with these? Of course other mid/late round picks can be included but at the core is this what we are leveraging? If not, what is better?
    Non sequitur . Knicks picks 1-3 ? They are completely different. Pick 1- possibly. 2 & 3 No Way. Those three picks can't be lumped into 1 choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinman View Post
    Non sequitur . Knicks picks 1-3 ? They are completely different. Pick 1- possibly. 2 & 3 No Way. Those three picks can't be lumped into 1 choice.
    Morant and Barrett could be every good as Tatum tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinman View Post
    Non sequitur . Knicks picks 1-3 ? They are completely different. Pick 1- possibly. 2 & 3 No Way. Those three picks can't be lumped into 1 choice.
    You're saying the value difference between pick 1 and 2/3 are so wide that the value of the total package is totally changes. I guess to reset the question, eliminate pick one and make it 2 or 3 only. Zion is clearly not a part of the Boston scenario.

    I guess I'm asking IF Zion in not on the table for Knicks or Lakers either, who offers the best core value?

    For me mixing in a bunch of other role players doesn't help anything. Trading Davis for the highest return with the least number of players. Like Davis is a 6, and no other 5's or 6's are available to swap. Is it better to target 4+2, 3+2+1, 2+2+2, etc. Just trying to play with how we can assess the value for a return in the most likely scenarios prior to knowing draft position. Like the Lakers last deal was just a whole bunch of 1's and I think that sucks.

    Is the Boston deal is 3 Tatum+2 Smart+1 Mid/Late pick?

    Knicks 2 Knox + 2 DSJ + 2 Very Early Pick?

    I still don't know how to value a Lakers option because it seems clear a 3rd team would need to be involved.

    Also be clear, I want Zion and don't really care what else. Just trying to play with the idea he is not an option. I know this is way too convoluted, please send help.

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