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I agree that Cousins leaving is a big deal no matter how you slice it. My hope is that the way he left plays a factor in AD not being as upset with the organization. I could still see this being the start of the end of the AD era though.Originally Posted by da ThRONe
I hope we make a big move that can bolster the team long term and get AD to sign his extension.
I am apprehensive right now though. There is a glimmer of hope but it's only a sliver atm.
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Losing Cousins is a big deal, but we have probably gained equal value when you combine the talents of Mirotic and Randle. Furthermore, if both were to sign extensions in the 18 mile range, 36 mil combined for the 2, you are on equal cap value of Boogies envisioned contract. There is a good chance that the duo of Mirotic and Randle is better for us than having just Cousins in the long run. Lots of ifs, but I am optimistic.
I'm optimistic that I will enjoy watching the team this year, more so than in some recent seasons.
I think it was a hard and courageous move not to re-sign Cousins at his number. After all, if Cousins returns to All-Star form and the Pels struggle, people could turn on Dell very quickly for letting a talent like that get away from a small market.
But this is the first time it feels like there is a clear vision for this team, how it should play and how the roster should be constructed. The joke was always that Dell gave Monty the squad Gentry would want and, with Cousins, gave Gentry the squad Monty would want.
Now, as Sean Payton is fond of saying, it seems like the Pels have a "vision" for each player and the role they will play.
I still think we have a bit of a "Ryan Anderson" problem in that we have multiple high value players at one position (PF), but all three are flexible and should form a nice rotation. I could still see Mirotic (as much as I like what I saw from him in the second half of the season) being flipped as part of a trade to bring in a top-tier wing. That would balance out the roster and give you your closing five. No need to rush that deal.
I think Dell might have learned to be a bit more patient and let the market come to him. Time and again over his tenure it seems we've been in a rush and ended up locked into poor contracts that prevented us from being ready to pounce when a much better deal presented itself later. Sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make. Keep your powder dry and trust that the market will yield up the right opportunity if you have the assets in the bank.
Losing Boogies stinks, but paying him a ton of money this year would of been worthless. He’s a 27 year old big man coming off a devastating injury. I know that’s not that old, but he may not be 100% for a year or 2. It’s not guaranteed he will come back the same anytime soon or possibly ever. A lower leg injury to any big man scares the hell out of me.
Extremely unlucky on our part cause now we will probably never know how good that big man combo could of been in the playoffs. Now if we could of gotten him for 5.4 mil like the Warriors on that first year than yes, but he probably was only coming back here for the max. Like I said it’s too scary for me to risk that much money on a big man with a bad lower leg injury. And it looks like I wasn’t the only one since he didn’t get a big deal
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Yeah. Totally. The problem with that post is pretty much the problem with the US currently. A few people say one thing and all of a sudden it's the entire group. Lol
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I don't think it's wishy washy, the logic is just "How can I convince myself the Pels are on the right track no matter what". Occasional 'Dell sucks for doing this', 'Monty sucks for doing that', or 'X player is ruining our team' aside from those occasional moments, and especially in the offseason, it's an echo chamber of warranted and unwarranted blind Pels optimism who get upset whenever a dissenting opinion's stated, no matter how reasonable it may be.
.......if healthy
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I would answer the OP question but then my optimism wouldn't be so quiet...
Not sure the team has replaced the leadership and experience of Rondo and the edge and toughness of Cousins.
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I do think Randle replaces that edge and toughness of Cousins. He fights in the paint and even at only playing 27 minutes a game he drew the 10th most FTs per game.
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Of this statement I’m only worried about replacing the leadership from rondo.
I’m optimistic that this team will be at the least fun to watch. We will dictate the pace of the game and tire teams out. I think we just need to get another guard and wing that are solid at the fast break three.
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If Jackson could stay not injured I really think he would be awesome for our style of play.
This. He is completely suited for our offense
It's still early but I think we will be the Houston of last season and be a top 4 team with this fast pace team if healthy ......again it's early and you don't see a lot of doom and gloom on the board around this time like past seasons.......I don't see a player in a 10 man rotation that will hold the ball and slow the offense down..it's all ball movement and run and gun......gentry finally may have the team he wanted or a player or two away from it........
It look like football season and the first half of basketball season will be very exciting down here this year....
Meh! I'm like warm but am just an average run-of-the-mill basketball fan. Losing Cousins and Rondo so easily hurts more than signing Randall and Payton. But thats just emotion I guess. I just dont know enough about them. I will say this: this franchise can not take a step back into tank mode this season. The fanbase is probably more like me. We start wollering around 10th, 11th or 12th and there will be no interest at all. Despite how strategic it may be. Long-term tanking can work in Philly and Chicago because by default they will still sell out their arenas with people in the seats. Here, not so much. Curious to see how this pans out.
Thanks Pelicans Report - I get a laugh or three every day reading this thing. Hoping the magic returns to the SKC soon.
Something is telling me that we will be even better with Randle. Still have no clue about Elfrid. But I have a strange feeling cousins won’t bounce back to his old self for some reason. Maybe karma is the reason or I think pure laziness
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I can understand how people think we aren't contenders. I think we're top four. So I can even understand people thinking we're at the 7th or 8th seed. I disagree with it but I can see it. I have no clue how someone thinks we're near tank mode.
And anytime we factor in Cousins leaving as a comparison to what we've lost, you have to factor in Niko to that equation since we got him after Cousins slowed down his last play for us.
Now that's an interesting factoid. Will be intriguing to see if that holds in NOLA.
I would agree. But Joe Fan on the Street only knows that we lost Boogie and Rondo and we were doing pretty well with them. Boogie being down helps the sting of losing him. If he comes back by Christmas and plays well it will crush our souls. Doubt it though. Just no way. I'm also peeved we invested so much emotion in him. But thats Pro sports I guess. Playoff Rondo couldnt get us past GS so maybe his luster is fading, but trying to sell us that the two new guys are what we need is wishful thinking. I have a feeling the SKC Will be moderately buzzing at first But we start off 15-15 and the stands are going to look pretty thin. Again, I am moderately excited about Randall anyway and love Nikko and Jrue. Of couse AD as well.
It'd be great if we could pick up somebody in a trade we didnt see coming. Dont know how that can happen though. But I've digressed.
For me, I'd take starting off 10-4 and be pretty pleased with it.
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I can see that part but I disagree. I think Boogie looked like a punk leaving. The average joe dislikes that chicken move. And Louisianans are the type of stubborn lot that gets galvanized around that. Heck, most of them probably weren't even paying attention to the team until Boogie had been hurt for an least a month.
It’s hard to see losing a big name player and being better. People will see that we’ll be better and more exciting to watch and if we get Hood, our starting lineup would be legit. Hopefully it doesn’t cost a lot and we can still make a big move at the trade deadline.
I would venture to say that->'Boogie will be BOOED vociferously when he comes to the SKC. New Orleans loves AD- Boogie Punked AD (AD wore The Big Weasels jersey at All-Star Game). Then he Punked Dell about lying over a contract offer. Rondo left for Money-- No Problem. Boogie left to be a Ring Beatch .
True pelican fans know the deal. It’s the band wagoners or the people that don’t watch pels games that will say we messed up.
Definitely. I’m in the camp that the front office did exactly what they should have done. Boogie moves just pisses me off because we invested so much to get him. Buddy isn’t a superstar but he is becoming a consistent shooter and he loved it here. New Orleans is the type of place where if you love us we love you back and all that loyalty bs, EVERYBODY was behind boogie. Then he turned and stuck us the middle finger because he is emotional. It’s hard to get over that plus he was a superstar
At this point I get it.
That point aside there's a lot of potential with this roster. Davis will have to buy into being the 5. But if Moore, Miller, and Clark can continue shooting the 3 ball like they did towards the end of the season. Randle can continue his play. If Holiday can stay healthy and play at that same level next year. We have the modern NBA team. And this isn't considering that Hill can give us anything.
I can see anywhere from 4 to 9.
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