Mirotic deal done ✅

[Pelifan]

Orlando perpetually builds through the draft and they are essentially in the same spot they were 5 years ago

because Orlando trades away their draft choices. They'd be in a good spot right now if they had retained oladipo. I can say that about many teams, as there are many ways to build a bad team, if you are a poorly run franchise you are likely going to build a bad team. We do ours the Billy King Brooklyn way.

I want us to be Denver. They've made both good and bad moves, but they've used the draft to build a team deep with young talent on affordable deals, while mostly drafting outside of the lottery.

[luckyman]

because Orlando trades away their draft choices. They'd be in a good spot right now if they had retained oladipo. I can say that about many teams, as there are many ways to build a bad team, if you are a poorly run franchise you are likely going to build a bad team. We do ours the Billy King Brooklyn way.

I want us to be Denver. They've made both good and bad moves, but they've used the draft to build a team deep with young talent on affordable deals, while mostly drafting outside of the lottery.

No we don't. The Pelicans roster is not full of 30 something used to be's by any stretch. Our top player is a 24 year old draft pick. Jesus.

[N.O.Bronco]

I think something people are missing when they talk about, say, San Antonio "building through the draft" is that they had spent 10 years sitting on David Robinson and achieving basically nothing until Tim Duncan fell into their laps. It was only then, when they had a top ten C of all time + arguably the greatest PF of all time that they made waves: and Duncan wasn't your typical rookie. He'd stayed in college all four years, he was NBA ready.

As for Parker and Ginobili, that's so unlikely that even the Spurs haven't been able to repeat their success drafting that low again, in over another decade.

The Spurs are a terrible example to try and follow because they essentially lucked into it at first.

The obvious example is Philly.

They were always the one we naturally got compared with because of the Jrue trade and the signal both franchises were sending with their moves. We, under the direction of Benson and Demps, sought to build around our new star not by being patient through the draft but trading in lottery picks for proven guys on their second contracts. We traded in draft picks and cap space to speed up the rebuild. Philly took the opposite approach, believing they needed to find their AD and be patient finding more players to put around them to give them lots of young, cheap talent, eventually a superstar and than a lot of cap space to fill out the margins.

I would say that so far Philly has come out to obvious winners in that duel. 2 superstars on good contracts and a team full of young talent on cheap contracts and a ton of cap space to tinker with.

New Orleans future looks rather tenuous while Philly looks to be an up and coming contender.

[N.O.Bronco]

No we don't. The Pelicans roster is not full of 30 something used to be's by any stretch. Our top player is a 24 year old draft pick. Jesus.

Until we traded Allen and Nelson we had one of the oldest roster's in the league. Just FYI.

But in terms of the core, that is certainly correct. We are not the Nets.

[Pelifan]

No we don't. The Pelicans roster is not full of 30 something used to be's by any stretch. Our top player is a 24 year old draft pick. Jesus.

We trade away first round picks every year for players at their peak value. We give up more than the player is worth. We have done this for, Jrue, Asik, and Mirotic. We haven't been as bad as the Billy King Nets, but you have to notice there are similarities.

The salary cap is too restrictive to not have young rookie contract guys contributing. Unless you're the Warriors and can sign ring chaser for the min, you need young talent that is affordable.

[N.O.Bronco]

We trade away first round picks every year for players at their peak value. We give up more than the player is worth. We have done this for, Jrue, Asik, and Mirotic. We haven't been as bad as the Billy King Nets, but you have to notice there are similarities.

The salary cap is too restrictive to not have young rookie contract guys contributing. Unless you're the Warriors and can sign ring chaser for the min, you need young talent that is affordable.

Hard to say that on this one. Mirotic had a bit of a say in where he went with the no-trade veto clause, and given the showcasing he is going to be given, there is a pretty good chance he will be able to fetch similar, potentially even greater value than he cost us. Decent chance he finishes the season with us as a 20-10 player with the usage and burn he is going to get. Versatile 20-10 bigs get you first rounders pretty much any season.

The other two though I absolutely agree and said they were negative assets the moment we got them when they occurred. Jrue was never going to fetch two top 10 lottery picks unless he became a literal top 10 player which was never realistically in the cards. Asik was always a bad move. Paying him an even worse one.

[msusousaphone]

The obvious example is Philly.

They were always the one we naturally got compared with because of the Jrue trade and the signal both franchises were sending with their moves. We, under the direction of Benson and Demps, sought to build around our new star not by being patient through the draft but trading in lottery picks for proven guys on their second contracts. We traded in draft picks and cap space to speed up the rebuild. Philly took the opposite approach, believing they needed to find their AD and be patient finding more players to put around them to give them lots of young, cheap talent, eventually a superstar and than a lot of cap space to fill out the margins.

I would say that so far Philly has come out to obvious winners in that duel. 2 superstars on good contracts and a team full of young talent on cheap contracts and a ton of cap space to tinker with.

New Orleans future looks rather tenuous while Philly looks to be an up and coming contender.

It's really unfair to compare us to a team in the East and it's more unfair to favor them when they would be beneath us in the standings even when we're missing a superstar.

[AusPel]

If only the rest of the team could see how hard Mirobeast fights on defense, we wouldn't be chasing the 8th seed

[luckyman]

It's really unfair to compare us to a team in the East and it's more unfair to favor them when they would be beneath us in the standings even when we're missing a superstar.

Not to mention if you spend all these years trying to build through the draft, you'd at least expect most of your bench to be draft picks. Yet for the 76ers, none of them are. They aren't very deep. So then maybe they traded those picks for a decent FA. The only one they have to show for it is 33 year old JJ Redick. Which explains why they are barely scraping the bottom of the playoff race in the East.

So as of right now as far as a core Cousins/Davis/Holiday/Mirotic>>>Embiid/Simmons/Saric/(??Fultz??)

Now when/if their players take that next step to stardom guess what? It's going to be time to pay them.

[Pelicanidae]

If only the rest of the team could see how hard Mirobeast fights on defense, we wouldn't be chasing the 8th seed

If everyone committed on defense like Miroswish does, we'd be a top 8 defensive team.

[N.O.Bronco]

Not to mention if you spend all these years trying to build through the draft, you'd at least expect most of your bench to be draft picks. Yet for the 76ers, none of them are. They aren't very deep. So then maybe they traded those picks for a decent FA. The only one they have to show for it is 33 year old JJ Redick. Which explains why they are barely scraping the bottom of the playoff race in the East.

So as of right now as far as a core Cousins/Davis/Holiday/Mirotic>>>Embiid/Simmons/Saric/(??Fultz??)

Now when/if their players take that next step to stardom guess what? It's going to be time to pay them.

This isn't 2014, The East and the West haven't been this closely matched in some time. GS is still the clear winner, followed by Houston, but outside of that the conferences are pretty evenly split these days. With the slight lean going to the West due to those higher end teams.

Philly currently sits with 2 superstars that they can realistically expect to keep locked up for nearly a decade, a great young supporting cast on great salaries, a 28-25 record in their first real season of effort, and will be going into the offseason with over 30 million in cap space. There are few better positioned teams exiting their rebuilds, and despite entering their rebuild on a time table behind ours, they are exiting theirs at the same time, currently, with similar output. And they have the Hinkie model to thank for that. The Hinkie model, unlike ours, also made the cost/benefit formula work much better for Philly.

Its strange to hear people still try to defend the Demps model and execution of that model in 2018. As we are talking about scrapping the leftovers of the buyout market because we are financially tapped out to the point that we have no room for error with our depth, ever. That our full strength was still a situation with glaring holes with no real path to fixing all of them without going deep into the luxury tax.

[AusPel]

This isn't 2014, The East and the West haven't been this closely matched in some time. GS is still the clear winner, followed by Houston, but outside of that the conferences are pretty evenly split these days. With the slight lean going to the West due to those higher end teams.

Philly currently sits with 2 superstars that they can realistically expect to keep locked up for nearly a decade, a great young supporting cast on great salaries, a 28-25 record in their first real season of effort, and will be going into the offseason with over 30 million in cap space. There are few better positioned teams exiting their rebuilds, and despite entering their rebuild on a time table behind ours, they are exiting theirs at the same time, currently, with similar output. And they have the Hinkie model to thank for that. The Hinkie model, unlike ours, also made the cost/benefit formula work much better for Philly.

Its strange to hear people still try to defend the Demps model and execution of that model in 2018. As we are talking about scrapping the leftovers of the buyout market because we are financially tapped out to the point that we have no room for error with our depth, ever. That our full strength was still a situation with glaring holes with no real path to fixing all of them without going deep into the luxury tax.

We're like the polar opposite of Philly. Why haven't more teams blatantly sold off assets and gone into full tank mode? Maybe Suns but that's about it