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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20 View Post
    We really had to give up a 2nd rounder to get this injury off the roster

    No. Swapping seconds means you still have a second no?

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    The whole Q-Pon trade:
    We send a 2nd to get someone to take him, reminds me of this:

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    You mean he was still on our roster? I mean come on now you got to be kidding right? Someone actually traded for him. Can will pull off the same magic with Asik?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormcenter View Post
    You mean he was still on our roster? I mean come on now you got to be kidding right? Someone actually traded for him. Can will pull off the same magic with Asik?
    Do you want the short answer or the long answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormcenter View Post
    You mean he was still on our roster? I mean come on now you got to be kidding right? Someone actually traded for him. Can will pull off the same magic with Asik?
    No.
    We cannot pull off the same magic with Asik.
    No.
    We cannot send Asik off to the Magic.

  6. #31
    We didn't swap picks. We gave up our 2nd rounder to Chicago to take Qpon.

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    Brett Martel? @brettmartel

    #Pelicans getting draft rights to international player Ater Majok as part of trade sending Pondexter, 2nd-rd pick, cash to the #Bulls.
    Wow, looks like Dell also sent cash to Bulls for rights to a 30 year old international player who will never play in the NBA. So, we give up a 2nd and pay part of the salary to unload a smaller expiring contract. Another Dell move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    Wow, looks like Dell also sent cash to Bulls for rights to a 30 year old international player who will never play in the NBA. So, we give up a 2nd and pay part of the salary to unload a smaller expiring contract. Another Dell move.
    Can you link to the salary part? I hadn't seen that posted yet.

    And yes, we chose the best of the worst options. Had Solomon Hill not torn his hamstring we wouldn't have needed to do it however he did, so here we are. Exactly what was Dell supposed to do when his starting SF who guards 4 positions went down?
    Last edited by Mythrol; 09-01-2017 at 06:55 PM.

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    I've heard this draft is very top heavy so that second wouldn't have been very valuable anyway

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    Pels 2nd rounder will be around 40-50th pick. It is not a hefty price.
    This 30 year old is another trade chip to use in trade. Like Latavious Williams earlier.

    We can use it in the trade now or at the deadline. Dell has a history in such a small moves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawel View Post
    Pels 2nd rounder will be around 40-50th pick. It is not a hefty price.
    This 30 year old is another trade chip to use in trade. Like Latavious Williams earlier.

    We can use it in the trade now or at the deadline. Dell has a history in such a small moves...
    In order to use those rights in a trade, we would have to have enough room under the luxury tax to make an unbalanced trade (send out no salary) for the new player.

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    Bobby Marks?Verified account @BobbyMarks42

    Circling back to the NOP/CHI trade from last week. $2.5M + 2018 NOP 2nd (early 40's) is a steep price by NOP for a salary dump.
    Wow, we gave up a 2018 2nd rounder AND $2.5 million in cash to rid ourselves of QPon and his $3.8 million salary! Other teams must laugh when they see how easy it is to outsmart Demps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    Wow, we gave up a 2018 2nd rounder AND $2.5 million in cash to rid ourselves of QPon and his $3.8 million salary! Other teams must laugh when they see how easy it is to outsmart Demps.
    Not an attractive trade, but were there better options? Not a lot of cap space left around the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    Wow, we gave up a 2018 2nd rounder AND $2.5 million in cash to rid ourselves of QPon and his $3.8 million salary! Other teams must laugh when they see how easy it is to outsmart Demps.
    That should read that the Bulls are taking on $1.3 million in obligations from us. $3.8 minus the $2.5. The second round pick for $1.3 million and immediate space is about right.

  15. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    That should read that the Bulls are taking on $1.3 million in obligations from us. $3.8 minus the $2.5. The second round pick for $1.3 million and immediate space is about right.
    Yes, rough. It also depends where the pick falls. But in general it might be a slight overpay if money sent back, still not terrible given our situation.

    So we clear the cap space now, have the ability to sign the players we need now, and have no money tied up in a dead contract if we had stretched Qpon.

    This would have never happened if Hill didn't get injured but he did. Dell had to make a hard decision but he isn't giving up on this season so he made this move. I have more respect for him than some of the fans around here who already want to phone it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    Yes, rough. It also depends where the pick falls. But in general it might be a slight overpay if money sent back, still not terrible given our situation.

    So we clear the cap space now, have the ability to sign the players we need now, and have no money tied up in a dead contract if we had stretched Qpon.

    This would have never happened if Hill didn't get injured but he did. Dell had to make a hard decision but he isn't giving up on this season so he made this move. I have more respect for him than some of the fans around here who already want to phone it in.
    Hard to phone it in when your job is likely on the line.

    "I'm not going to allow my putative owner to answer that question, this is an NBA related press conference. Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell have collectively sung their praises of Tom and if uh ESPN has a problem with that tell Mr. Skipper to call me at my office."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PelsFan2313 View Post
    Hard to phone it in when your job is likely on the line.
    I wish we had more fans that didn't phone it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    That should read that the Bulls are taking on $1.3 million in obligations from us. $3.8 minus the $2.5. The second round pick for $1.3 million and immediate space is about right.
    Not compared to where 2016 picks "cost" and the fact that 2017 picks will cost more with the increase in annual cash limits that can be used for buying picks this year (from about $3.5 million to $5.1 million)


    Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42)
    9/6/17, 9:43 AM
    Essentially Chicago paid $1.3M for a pick in the late 30's/early 40's. 2nd rd. picks in 2016 sold for between $2M-$3.5M in that range.
    Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42)

    9/6/17, 9:37 AM
    Circling back to the NOP/CHI trade from last week. $2.5M + 2018 NOP 2nd (early 40's) is a steep price by NOP for a salary dump.
    Would have cost the Pels $1.3 million more (assuming no negotiated buyout) to stretch him and keep the 2nd and available cash for trades. Assuming no buyout, would have been about $1.26 million per year for 3 years against the cap.

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    Early 40s is debateable and even then I wouldn't call it 'steep'. A first rounder would have been steep

    And if he's referring to the paltry 2.5mil given, let me introduce him to the 10s of millions of dollars in Asik dead money or overpaying Jrue. Id be much more concerned about that than bloody 2 mil here
    Last edited by AusPel; 09-06-2017 at 03:33 PM.

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    Bobby Marks knows a lot about the NBA, but just like every national writer he is looking at it from the wrong perspective in regards to the Pelicans.

    1st, his price is based off of the assumption of where the Pelicans will fall during the draft. If instead, we outperform what the national media thinks, then the compensation would be about average. For example this is right around what the Pelicans sold their 52nd pick for in the previous draft.

    There's also a premium to keep in mind with needing to dump a salary now instead of selling a pick outright during the draft. A lot more teams with a lot more cap to work with around the draft.

    2nd, unlike what Marks thinks stretching QPon was not an acceptable option. We are not just clearing QPon's money off of the books to avoid luxury tax later. We are actively trying to sign another player to our roster, now, today. By trading QPon we not only save ourselves luxury tax money later but we also create a trade exception we can use *now* along with more space from the hardcap than if we had just stretched QPon.

    So did the Pelicans likely pay a premium to trade QPon? Probably, depending where our 2nd round pick falls. However given the situation with Hill and the fact that. . .well it's a 2nd round pick, no one should care this much.

    As soon as a player is signed that we couldn't have gotten otherwise, everyone will chill out and it will be back to business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    Bobby Marks knows a lot about the NBA, but just like every national writer he is looking at it from the wrong perspective in regards to the Pelicans.

    1st, his price is based off of the assumption of where the Pelicans will fall during the draft. If instead, we outperform what the national media thinks, then the compensation would be about average. For example this is right around what the Pelicans sold their 52nd pick for in the previous draft.

    There's also a premium to keep in mind with needing to dump a salary now instead of selling a pick outright during the draft. A lot more teams with a lot more cap to work with around the draft.

    2nd, unlike what Marks thinks stretching QPon was not an acceptable option. We are not just clearing QPon's money off of the books to avoid luxury tax later. We are actively trying to sign another player to our roster, now, today. By trading QPon we not only save ourselves luxury tax money later but we also create a trade exception we can use *now* along with more space from the hardcap than if we had just stretched QPon.

    So did the Pelicans likely pay a premium to trade QPon? Probably, depending where our 2nd round pick falls. However given the situation with Hill and the fact that. . .well it's a 2nd round pick, no one should care this much.

    As soon as a player is signed that we couldn't have gotten otherwise, everyone will chill out and it will be back to business as usual.
    Can a trade exception be used without taking a player back?

    For example can we use the Buddy Heild or Q-Pon exception to trade for Ennis or Troy Daniels without sending anything out to Memphis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Can a trade exception be used without taking a player back?

    For example can we use the Buddy Heild or Q-Pon exception to trade for Ennis or Troy Daniels without sending anything out to Memphis?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Can a trade exception be used without taking a player back?

    For example can we use the Buddy Heild or Q-Pon exception to trade for Ennis or Troy Daniels without sending anything out to Memphis?
    A trade exception allows us to not have to match salaries on a trade. We've basically *already* sent our player out in the trade. In this case QPon. The exception just allows us to bring in another player from another team with a salary up to his exception.

    We still have to follow NBA trade rules for any team we are trading with, meaning we'd have to send them *something* back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    A trade exception allows us to not have to match salaries on a trade. We've basically *already* sent our player out in the trade. In this case QPon. The exception just allows us to bring in another player from another team with a salary up to his exception.

    We still have to follow NBA trade rules for any team we are trading with, meaning we'd have to send them *something* back.
    "Something" like the rights to a 30 year old international?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    "Something" like the rights to a 30 year old international?
    Or the unstoppable cash considerations.

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