Would you trade Jrue Holiday for Ty Lawson?

[HornetGuru]

I don't know if it's true or not but supposedly Lawson wants out of Denver and Denver plans on blowing it up anyway.

They have similar deals, both have 2 years left, jrue makes 10 mil a year and lawson makes 11.6

Jrue is 24 Lawson is 26

If Denver offered a straight up swap would u do it?

Now if Jrue was 100% healthy it would be hard for me to say yes, I think jrue is every bit as good as lawson, when healthy and a better defender and lawson slightly better offensively but jrue is also younger and cheaper. But with this whole injury thing I think I would almost have to.

[GuardianAngel25]

I would rather count on Jrue becoming healthy again and if he doesn't his contract will be up pretty soon. I don't think Jrue is injury prone or will be in the future he just had a couple runs of bad luck. He obviously came back in the Warriors series and looked great. He will have a lot of time off to get healthy and with the removal of the rod should definitely help even more. Like I said with some time off his injury should be very little to worry about. I'm not him but I had severe stress fractures and actually kept working out and playoff football eventually they just went away and never had a problem again. He will have the best treatment and most importantly time off so no way I would do this deal. I like Lawson I just don't think he is the guy for us especially while we still have Holiday.

By the way if anyone ever gets stress fractures just take a Solo/Dixie cup, fill it with water, and freeze it. You can take it and rub it up and down your shins which works much better than using an ice pack or other things. Penetrates the bone way better and works amazing. Method James Andrews gave me so it must be a pretty good treatment.

[DroopyDawg]

Would Denver take Jrue knowing that he has an injury concern? If Jrue is hurt, then the answer should be obvious. But no team is gonna pay 10 mill/yr to a player that may only play half of the season.

[RaisingTheBar]

No.

[zoibac]

Absolutely not. This team is already a turnstyle on the perimeter. I'd rather have 50 games (+ playoffs) of Jrue than 82 of Lawson. Jrue's upside is Mike Conley + Rip Hamilton, rip around and create havoc on offense while locking down the better of a team's two guards. Ty's is young Damon Stoudamire, lightning quick with decent court vision, but a volume scorer at best who you can only play with a strong defense supporting him.

[Bongzilla]

Absolutely not. This team is already a turnstyle on the perimeter. I'd rather have 50 games (+ playoffs) of Jrue than 82 of Lawson. Jrue's upside is Mike Conley + Rip Hamilton, rip around and create havoc on offense while locking down the better of a team's two guards. Ty's is young Damon Stoudamire, lightning quick with decent court vision, but a volume scorer at best who you can only play with a strong defense supporting him.

Jrue is such an over-rated defender. I mean, perhaps one of the greatest "over-ratings" on this forum. He is an ABOVE AVERAGE defender. Not great, and certainly not elite.

Great defenders get 3rd team all defense. Elite gets 1st and 2nd. Has Jrue ever even received a single vote? If nobody outside of this forum will state that Jrue is a ELITE defender, then why is it "common knowledge" on these forums?

ABOVE AVERAGE. Best on our team? Hands down. Compared to his peers ----- ABOVE AVERAGE.

For the OP's question. I would trade Jrue for almost anything. He still has a little trade value. When he re-injures his right leg again next year, his value sinks down to zero. Actually, absolute zero...... -273.15 CELSIUS

Jrue is a great player, but so was Brandon Roy. I really hope I am wrong, and I eat crow for years and years. But I am super concerned about Jrue''s chronic problem, and feel we should move forward now, before it is too late.

[Kumar]

I hate how people see any recurring thing and compare it to Brandon Roy. Roy had degenerative knees. His cartilage was pretty much all used up. Jrue has a stress fracture/reaction/thingy. Two different scenarios. Bones heal. Cartilage doesn't really grow back.

[tdcreator]

I wouldn't because Jrue gives you offense and defense. I don't watch Ty enough to say his defense is better than jrue but on the other hand I don't like anyone that gives up on their team.

[Asteptooslow]

In a heartbeat.

[Bongzilla]

I hate how people see any recurring thing and compare it to Brandon Roy. Roy had degenerative knees. His cartilage was pretty much all used up. Jrue has a stress fracture/reaction/thingy. Two different scenarios. Bones heal. Cartilage doesn't really grow back.

The Brandon Roy comparison is only used because that is the one everyone knows. A promising career was cut short by chronic injuries. No one is using the analogy any further than that. Stop reading what is not there. Whether it is knees, bones, heart condition, who cares, that is not why people bring up Brandon Roy.

Is Jrue's injury going to cut his career short? Nobody knows at this point. Hopefully it does not, but to simply assume it won't is folly. Some people recover perfectly from his exact type of injury, others do not.

It is so strange to me, that by the time EG had only barely played in 2 years, the ENTIRE fan base was calling for his head. Yet Jrue has missed 50% of the last 2 years, and NOBODY knows if he is fixed or not. Yet I seem to be in the very small minority that is freaking out about his long-term health.

Is it really all because EG wanted to go to Phoenix? Are we all blinded by such trivial events?

[tthier2]

No way in hell I trade jrue for Lawson

[Primetime]

Jrue is such an over-rated defender. I mean, perhaps one of the greatest "over-ratings" on this forum. He is an ABOVE AVERAGE defender. Not great, and certainly not elite.

Great defenders get 3rd team all defense. Elite gets 1st and 2nd. Has Jrue ever even received a single vote? If nobody outside of this forum will state that Jrue is a ELITE defender, then why is it "common knowledge" on these forums?

I agree with you on his D being overrated on this forum, but I don't think there is a 3rd team all defense.

As for the trade, we'd have to do it because of the injury issues. At least with Lawson, it's an asset that has a higher floor. Holiday's injury issues are super worrying to me.

[SaintPelican225]

Hell no. Jrue is a two way player, Lawson is one dimensional. Bones heal, Stephen Curry missed the better part of two years with a surgically repaired ankle issue and look where he is now.

[Jabberwalker]

Lawson has also had issues with his coaching staff and not shown up for practices. He also has hinted at going to the Lakers when his contract is up. I like Lawson's game, especially if we played up-tempo but I think I'd still play it safe with Jrue.

[i am cow lolz]

Jrue will be 25 when the season begins. Lawson will be 28 (!!!)

Also healthy Jrue is pretty easily the better player.

[N.O.Bronco]

Jrue will be 25 when the season begins. Lawson will be 28 (!!!)

Also healthy Jrue is pretty easily the better player.

Pretty easily?

Lawson has the superior career FG%, better assist numbers, better secondary assist numbers, better assist to turnover ratio and has a better net rating(difference between offensive and defensive rating.) through most of his career. As a facilitator and distributor Lawson right now is superior. As scorers they are about even. Both roughly 52% TS%. Although through their careers Lawson has been superior every year so far in terms of TS%. Whereas Jrue has hovered around 50% TS% most of his career, Lawson has flirted with 60% a lot more.

Now I think Jrue's ceiling is higher then Lawson's but as of right now Lawson is the superior player.

With that said I personally think Jrue in the right system with the right coach(Thibs, Gentry, Hoiberg, Van Gundy) he can take that leap and that statement will become true. At least that is my hope. But then again I think if Lawson gets the right coach again he is likely to become very efficient scoring again AND still have his ever improving facilitation to go along with it.

[iNolaNightmare]

Nope. I think a better question would be Tyreke for Ty Lawson. Running Jrue and Ty Lawson together in a combo guard set could be really fun. They can both spot up and are willing passers.

[HornetGuru]

Nope. I think a better question would be Tyreke for Ty Lawson. Running Jrue and Ty Lawson together in a combo guard set could be really fun. They can both spot up and are willing passers.

Yeah that would be fun but they wouldn't trade him for tyreke. Supposedly they wanted 2 firsts for him last year

[BallSoHard]

Nope. I think a better question would be Tyreke for Ty Lawson. Running Jrue and Ty Lawson together in a combo guard set could be really fun. They can both spot up and are willing passers.

We're already undersized on the wing. This would be bad imo.

[tthier2]

I would rather keep reke also. Ty Lawson plays james harden type defense. I don't know what you are so excited about dealing with him.

[DirtySouf]

No

[Hornets2013]

Jrue stays.

[GuardianAngel25]

Jrue is such an over-rated defender. I mean, perhaps one of the greatest "over-ratings" on this forum. He is an ABOVE AVERAGE defender. Not great, and certainly not elite.

Great defenders get 3rd team all defense. Elite gets 1st and 2nd. Has Jrue ever even received a single vote? If nobody outside of this forum will state that Jrue is a ELITE defender, then why is it "common knowledge" on these forums?

ABOVE AVERAGE. Best on our team? Hands down. Compared to his peers ----- ABOVE AVERAGE.

For the OP's question. I would trade Jrue for almost anything. He still has a little trade value. When he re-injures his right leg again next year, his value sinks down to zero. Actually, absolute zero...... -273.15 CELSIUS

Jrue is a great player, but so was Brandon Roy. I really hope I am wrong, and I eat crow for years and years. But I am super concerned about Jrue''s chronic problem, and feel we should move forward now, before it is too late.

So not getting an all defensive team means he can't be elite? Come on this is a joke. Not 3 starting PGs in the NBA that are better than Holiday on defense. Yea the awards are nice but that is a pretty terrible argument for considering someone an elite defender or not. He is hands down up there with the best defensive PGs in the NBA. It's not over rating him at all and has nothing to do with him being on our team. I considered him an elite PG when he was in Philly and I have heard him being discussed as one of the best defensive PGs numerous times by announcers and other people involved with basketball. Tell me who you consider so much better than him where he is just above average defensively that is just a joke. CP3 basically gets the award on his name alone every year along with Rondo who neither are much better than Holiday and I wouldn't even consider them better. Conley has mad a defensive team and I wouldn't consider him better than Holiday. Beverly is nothing but a defensive specialist where that is all he is asked to do and again I wouldn't take him over Holiday. I'm guessing Rondo and Paul are the only "elite" defensive PGs according to the way you rank because they are 1st and 2nd near every year. Bledsoe is arguably the best defensive PG in the NBA but he must be above average since no awards for him. Westbrook also must be above average since he can't get a 1st or 2nd team. Holiday is definitely in the top tier group of defensive PGs and I don't see how an all NBA team justifies that he isn't.

[N.O.Bronco]

i feel like the offseason always brings out the rose tinted glasses here.

Jrue was a streaky defender at best last year. He had moments that made you turn your head and then performances that left you scratching your head. In terms of consistency he is below CP3 by a good margin, Conley also ranks above him, as does Beverly and Curry. By most metrics Holiday is slightly above average overall for his position.

You are what your performances say you are and right now he is a guy that has the potential to be among the best but hasn't put it together consistently.

With the right coach I think he can certainly take that next leap. Thibs, Van Gundy or Atkinson would all probably turn him into the player we think he can be. But until then let's not re-write history.

[GuardianAngel25]

i feel like the offseason always brings out the rose tinted glasses here.

Jrue was a streaky defender at best last year. He had moments that made you turn your head and then performances that left you scratching your head. In terms of consistency he is below CP3 by a good margin, Conley also ranks above him, as does Beverly and Curry. By most metrics Holiday is slightly above average overall for his position.

You are what your performances say you are and right now he is a guy that has the potential to be among the best but hasn't put it together consistently.

With the right coach I think he can certainly take that next leap. Thibs, Van Gundy or Atkinson would all probably turn him into the player we think he can be. But until then let's not re-write history.

Yup the Rose tented glasses. I'm sure you have clear ones on and I'm sure you also watched enough of Beverly, Conley, and Curry to get this opinion of yours. Curry is definitely not a better defender than Holiday. More steals does not mean someone is a better defender sorry. Holiday mite get scored on some game but I have seen Cp3 get torched also. He is in the top tier of defensive PGs but I'll keep my rumored glasses but make sure you never wear them.