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Suppose to foul on 3pt play
Listening to Monty on the radio about the game and he states how we were suppose to foul and that shot should have never happened. Blame whatever you want on him why we didn't hold the lead but absolutely ridiculous your team knows the play and doesn't execute a simple foul. He said we had the same scenario in another game where we didn't foul like suppose to giving a chance to tie it up. He made the call to foul which was right and players simply ignored it.
Last edited by GuardianAngel25; 04-24-2015 at 12:20 AM.
AD was just saying the same, that they were supposed to foul.
If Pop tells his team to foul there, his team fouls there.Originally Posted by Hornets2013
If Carlisle tells his team to foul there, his team fouls there.
If Monty tells his team to foul there, they will fail to do so and bumble their way to the best 3 pt shooter in the West getting TWO chances and being fouled on the 2nd.
"The only thing Ryno stretches is the 0's on the stat sheet." - BallSoHard
Were the assistant coaches supposed to sub Asik or Jrue in during that dreadful stretch where all of those offensive rebounds were given up?
22 offensive rebounds total
that's a lot.
looking for team to bandwagon, pls help
Not going to blame Evans too much there. Of course you're supposed to foul UNLESS the player has a good chance of getting a shot off, and then it's the worst thing you could possibly do. Curry played it perfectly and probably could have fired off a shot for a 4 point play at any moment if he got fouled. Of course we ended up fouling him during his game tying 3 pointer but we got away with it.
You foul him inside the arc and he gets a shot off and makes it, ok, tough break he gets an And-1. But that is a much more statistically difficult feat to accomplish then being allowed to get off a set three point shot. One where we honestly did foul him and should of lost then and there on a four point play.
Well it was split second and Curry has the elusiveness and quick release to make a quick step back behind the arc and fire off a 3 pointer as he gets fouled. Any other player in the world, fouling him will win you the game. With Curry, he's so elusive you can't even foul him hard if you want to.
This team does not listen to what their coach is saying......folks that is a serious problem. He is too much like "one of the guys".
Come on now the opportunity was there to foul before they launched the first or second 3.
The sad part is Tyreke has been in the league how long? He had to look at Monty to see if he should foul.
Guy is not very smart.
You don't "quit" on your coach in the playoffs... that's something you do when your record is 15-60 with 7 games left in the season. Deciding NOT to foul was a decision made by a player... and Norris Cole knows who was supposed to commit the foul.
That player needs to be held accountable. Not in the media... but to his team."I'm not going to call anybody out, but we definitely did not execute," point guard Norris Cole said. "We did not execute what we said we were going to do. And it cost us."
I agree completely.
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Seriously? Omer has been terrible this whole series and last night was no different. Monty's hand was forced and he had to bite the bullet and play small.
I find it funny how you agree with Tyreke's brother, but if you scroll down his tweets you can see him begging for Omer to get off the floor in game 2.
And Jrue has a minutes limit. That was said about a hundred times in each broadcast.
Could of fouled Speights on the rebound at least.
Its called situational adjustment. Clearly matching small on small when our guys were gassed wasn't going to cut it. So you have to adjust. Evans was making bad play after bad play from 6 minutes on down in the fourth and we kept riding that horse into botched possession after botched possession.
And if you say we had to bite the bullet and not play Asik to have a chance, then how do you justify Asik starting OT?
You kind of paint yourself into a corner on that one.
The sad part was we fouled him on the make. The refs should have given Curry a 4pt play.
Not sure how the team failed to foul in that situation. It was perfect the ball was inside the arc long enough to foul without fear of sending them to the line for 3FT's or a FT and the ball.
This.
How good is Curry to make that while getting fouled at that point in the game?
Kid is very, very special.
This is crap. Monty hasn't had the depth or longevity to handle the situation the way either of those coaches would be allowed to. Carlisle just banished Rondo. Do you think Monty could do the same with any of his players? Or bench one of his top guys?
He neither has the gravitas or the depth to pull that off, and the players know it. When Jrue was healthy, there were games this year and last when Monty was able to bench Tyreke. Minutes are the only way to get through to some of these players in the league. Monty hasn't had the depth on the wing this season to allow him to "punish" guys for failing to execute. It's not like this team had a comfortable margin to play with in terms of getting into the post season; every game mattered and needed all hands on deck. There wasn't the flexibility to send a message that could've cost them a game for the greater good.
Players weren't given discretion to asses the situation and act as they saw fit. They were told to execute a call, and took it upon themselves to call an audible, or they're situational basketball comprehension is so low that they really didn't understand what they were being told to do and why.
The only way this is on Monty is if Monty doesn't recognize his players low IQ and puts them in a situation where they are required to make the right decision. It doesn't sound like this is the case at all. It sounds like Monty gave them a specific task and a player didn't do what he was told.
This is a young, flawed team. We're contemplating paying Asik over $10m a year, because of the value he brings as a rebounder, yet your team gets crushed on the boards in an epic 4th quarter collapse, partially because you can't play Asik at all. Same thing happened in game two, only to a lesser degree. Like Monty says, the guys have to be accountable and professional, and just be men. It's not the coaches fault we got killed on the boards, that's on the guys and on the makeup of the roster.
In game 2 AD was gassed down the stretch, so Monty gives him an extended breather while RA is hot and we've got a 20 point lead. The thought being AD, our MVP candidate, would come back fresh and be able to close out the 4th quarter with a double digit lead. That obviously didn't happen, and today I've heard folks bashing Monty for leaving AD on the bench too long in the 4th. Seriously? C'mon people.
Has anybody killed Kerr this morning for that off ball foul Klay Thompson committed? I mean seriously, that Steve Kerr is an itiot! That could have cost them the game had Monty not erred in getting AD matched up one on one with Bogut and forced AD to throw up a brick.
I know I'm coming off as a Monty apologist. Honestly, at this point with these players you either have to fire Monty or extend him. This hot seat on the bubble stuff doesn't allow him to utilize the tools an NBA coach needs to use to get through to players in the modern NBA.
I think if Monty threw a public tirade and threw his players under the bus for not rebounding, some of you would be happy. But that's not necessarily good coaching. Monty didn't allow Harrison Barnes to run down the court without being bumped or blocked out to get a put back dunk. That was AD and 4 other guys. Monty needs to correct this in the film room and in practice.
Hopefully whoever is running the Pelicans (Loomis, Dell, Benson) can differentiate between a coach that can't get his players to execute and therefore needs to be relieved, and players who can't or won't execute and therefore need to be moved. Regardless of which approach they decide to take, this off season is critical, and I'm OK with the decision as long as one or the other is changed. Status quo or blowing it all up seem to both be equally unappealing options.
And just to continue what has become a rant... If Tyreke's brothers are close to him and some of the other players, is the organization aware of how he's potentially poisoning the well with his public comments on social media? I remember teams not wanting anything to do with Doug Christie back in the day because of his wife. Can't imagine Tyreke's brother is a welcome addition to the Pelican's extended family.
The end.
You admit in your own post that Monty lacks the gravitas of a Carlisle or a Pop. Or a Thibs. Know who's available to coach the Pellies in 2 weeks? Um ahh... THIBS. The 3rd, 4th, or 5th best basketball coach on the entire planet.
Between the 6 minute mark and the 1 minute mark Evans botched or put no effort on every single offensive possession he was the facilitator. We also gave up basket after basket by giving up the paint or not getting rebounds. We also had Ryno on his hottest night this year. Yet he didn't get a single shot created for him, just one he created himself, and then didn't get a look for the last 4 minutes.
I'm sorry but a couple times you let them play through, after half a dozen times you need to adjust. Re-focus the team. It took til the 3:30 mark for Monty to call a TO and out of that timeout we end up in an Evans iso for a miss and a bucket the other way. No attempt to correct the points in the paint and rebounding issue or get the offense flowing so we can match bucket for bucket again. Evans isolation and shot selection are the problem and you double down on that?
Jrue is back in and we still let Evans botch possessions until by luck at the 1:00 minute mark the only pass Davis can make out of rebound is to Jrue who creates a wide open look for Gordon. The first genuinely created shot in 5 minutes. Who not unsurprisingly misses because the flow of the offense has been garbage for the last real-time 20 minutes.
Monty gets blame here. He sat idle and did nothing to get the team to adjust. Didn't try and correct the issue Evans was creating with offensive flow and didn't address the bleeding on the other end.
If I had witnessed him draw up a Ryno shot out of the timeout - heck even a Ryno post up - or yelled at Evans to let Jrue run the offense, I could of been more forgiving. But he just stood baffled and pouting as things didn't miraculously cure themselves like he seemingly had hoped.
Last edited by N.O.Bronco; 04-24-2015 at 12:32 PM.
He's the head coach.............end of story and nothing else to say. i don't care how many years or weeks he's been HC in the league. What he says should be taken as the gospel by his players and coaches. I don't think that's ever been the case on this team because he wants to be more like a teammate and not a head coach. It can't be that way. He looked as scared and his players did in the 4th quarter. It's all on coaching.
This was a test. And you failed.
i said to myself, I bet WisconsinHornet would pull this one line out and comment on it. I didn't say at all that Monty lacks the gravitas of "a Carlisle or a Pop." He specifically lacks the gravitas of CARLISLE and POP. Two individuals. That have won championships and have the 120% backing of ownership. The deification of Thibs has to stop. What has he won? How many eastern conf finals has played in? How many has he won? He's in the f'kn Easter Conference, for christ's sake!
Thibs would have run this brittle team into the ground. And Thibs (or any other NBA coach for that matter), if placed on the hotseat by ownership, wouldn't have had any better success getting a back court with the IQ of Tyreke Evans and Eric Gordon to be the NBA version of the Hart Foundation (The Excellence of Execution)!
Thibs. Get out of here.
Thibs got outcoached by the video guy for the Miami Heat (Eric Spoelstra) and Randy Wittman.
Last edited by NMThreeMVP; 04-24-2015 at 12:41 PM.
Where does this idea that Monty wants to be more like a teammate and not a head coach come from? I keep seeing folks repeat it as if it's gospel, but have no idea why people accept it as truth. How is Monty's relationship with his players different than that of Steve Kerr with his players?
He seems wayyyyyyyyyyy too nice to me to be a disciplined head coach.
I honestly think he should be the team's Chaplain.
Father Williams he should be, not head coach.
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