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Thread: Ryan Anderson: a liability?

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    Ryan Anderson: a liability?

    We seem to not miss Anderson's presence. I looked at the games played by Anderson when the PELS won or lost. I don't have numbers to post but he takes a lot of shots in these games we have lost and he has a low percentage in those games. That's life and there's more to the story.

    Do y'all remember games where Ryno tried iso and would do his awkward turnaround jumper which he'd take with 3 seconds left on the shot clock? Also, he'd play very poor defense and he may be injury prone and he might not be the same since the neck injury.... I see him as a great 3point specialist and excellent offensive rebounder. A good teammate. A good contract. But there's a few problems.... Could he be slowing the PELS down or limiting the team by taking poor shots and draining the clock not playing team ball? The team plays great without him. Ryno is unathletic and plays poor defense. He's a PF which is not a strong need for us. We need help in other areas.seems to me that Gordon is shooting a lot more in Ryno's absence. Gordon is playing great and he can score as much as Ryno. The big difference for me is that Gordon makes GREAT passes and is more of a clutch performer. Passing is huge.

    I think we should trade Anderson in offseason. I think when he returns we need to limit his minutes. He's got to be more team-focused and take less iso plays. What do y'all think?

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    Last year, when I wanted him traded everyone was calling me crazy because of the value of a stretch 4 and all the things he does for tyreke. Forget about defense and ability to rebound/attack the basket.

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    It's obvious Alexis Ajinca's performance make him more expendable. Once he return from injury, will Ajinca's playing time be reduced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetslover89 View Post
    It's obvious Alexis Ajinca's performance make him more expendable. Once he return from injury, will Ajinca's playing time be reduced?
    We need three point shooting from a small forward.

    We can't afford the luxury of our PF camping on the 3 point line anymore.

    AD , AA, and HOmer is a pretty good big man rotation now.

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    We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

    But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.
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    I think MM's assessment of Ryno's conditioning is right on-point. He's been a liability this season... especially defensively. Even on offense if he's not making his shot he's at least a threat, and opens things up for the offense, but there's not hiding him defensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

    But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.
    Great observation. Is RA situation more mental than physical considering everything he had to deal with over the last two season? He's been through a lot. I think the Pelicans should be given credit for sticking with him. It will be great once he get back to his old playing style and conditioning.

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    We dont miss the ball-stopper iso Ryno. Other players have shown they can bring something offensively and get points and Dante is a better defender
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

    But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.

    I agree with this mostly, but I also see how well we play without him at this point and i wonder realistically what kind of impact he will get if he's somewhere in between Ryno now and Ryno then. One disturbing trend i've seen with him which isn't dictated by his injury is it feels like he's shooting more shots off the dribble and un assisted. I actually just went back and looked at it and that seems to be confirmed:

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    As we can see, the 3 point shots stay pretty on point but his 2 point shots have dropped to a career low. Again, i think this is concerning but not deal breaking. I'd be fine with a Ryno trade, but i think we need to wait it out just a touch to see which Ryno we will get.

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    Even if Ryan does return to form it still doesn't make sense to keep him. We won't be able to afford him on his next contract nor does it make sense to tie that money into AD's backup. Trade him and get some value back and invest that money into a sf.



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    To me it all comes down to what you can get for Ryno. To me he isn't and never has been a piece that should be off limits.

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    I love how every ones throwing out the "injury prone" statement smh

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    Can you replace Ryno with a mix of Dunleavy and Babbit/ a bit that can shoot the 3?
    If you Jimmer it, they will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Writhe View Post
    Last year, when I wanted him traded everyone was calling me crazy because of the value of a stretch 4 and all the things he does for tyreke. Forget about defense and ability to rebound/attack the basket.
    u weren't the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notime View Post
    I love how every ones throwing out the "injury prone" statement smh
    You're actually the second person on here to throw it out besides the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    You're actually the second person on here to throw it out besides the OP.
    Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by notime View Post
    Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it
    I guess that doesn't matter. What's the argument? You don't think he's injury prone? What do you consider the definition of the phrase? I'm not sure i'm willing to label him that either yet, but he's certainly trending towards my definition at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notime View Post
    Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it
    What's your tally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    I guess that doesn't matter. What's the argument? You don't think he's injury prone? What do you consider the definition of the phrase? I'm not sure i'm willing to label him that either yet, but he's certainly trending towards my definition at this point.
    A freak accident last year and a couple "weird" ones this year I mean injury prone for me constant injury to same locations say Derrick rose Brandon Roy and you might say that makes ad one then but really every injury he's had is completely different and most of the time they happen in the freakiest ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican View Post
    What's your tally?

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    I think I called him injury prone before (I probably did come to think of it, so count me as one), but I have reversed that. He isn't so much injury prone as he has dropped of in performance due to injury. Time will tell if he can rebound to be the man we need.

    Sorry for feeding gas to a dumpster fire of a notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    I agree with this mostly, but I also see how well we play without him at this point and i wonder realistically what kind of impact he will get if he's somewhere in between Ryno now and Ryno then. One disturbing trend i've seen with him which isn't dictated by his injury is it feels like he's shooting more shots off the dribble and un assisted. I actually just went back and looked at it and that seems to be confirmed:

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    As we can see, the 3 point shots stay pretty on point but his 2 point shots have dropped to a career low. Again, i think this is concerning but not deal breaking. I'd be fine with a Ryno trade, but i think we need to wait it out just a touch to see which Ryno we will get.
    I think a lot of this can be attributed to who he was stuck playing with on the 2nd unit. Being surrounded by a pre blowing up Ajinca (who did more fouling than scoring), Salmons/Miller, Jimmer, & Rivers would force any halfway decent player into having to shoulder a large amount of production.

    I don't believe that given how our team is now that we would have to worry about Ryno forcing a ton of shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notime View Post
    Retarded Lion beats ALL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    u weren't the only one.
    Anderson was a very valuable player before he suffered a serious injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notime View Post
    A freak accident last year and a couple "weird" ones this year I mean injury prone for me constant injury to same locations say Derrick rose Brandon Roy and you might say that makes ad one then but really every injury he's had is completely different and most of the time they happen in the freakiest ways
    See i call that reoccurring injuries or a degenerative issue. I consider injury prone someone who has a freak accident here and a few other weird ones. To each their own though. I guess it is a very liberal phrase.

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