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Before someone comes in and says that IQ is the coaches fault, I will agree with this. A 4-2 fast break today resulted in an Eric Gordon clanked 3. That is totally on the players - in that moment you can see their level of decision making. No coach, even a bad one, would advocate for that possession to end that way if they truly could control the playersOriginally Posted by Nin10doe
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I never thought about that, I like this idea. Also MM what do you think are the chances both Dell and Monty are fired at the end of the year?
I know where you are coming from. I'm having a hard time coming up with a better replacement. I'm pretty sure a Karl or Van Gundy will not help. As a matter of fact I'm of the opinion you don't replace the coach if you don't have a clear cut better option. I'm not so sure a coaching change will help this inconsistent team. Maybe Monty needs better BBIQ players? Like I stated in my rant thread I would have considered 42-40 to be a successful season last July.
Last edited by DRDJ1; 01-07-2015 at 10:48 PM.
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Chances both stay - 15%
Chances Monty stays and Dell goes - 45%
Chances Dell stays and Monty goes - 0%
Chances both are gone - 40%
Thats not a maybe, he definitely does. Question is: Is his ceiling still limited even with high IQ guys?
If I could ONLY upgrade one - coach or roster - I would choose roster. But I want to upgrade both long term ideally
Does everyone remember Houston back in 07-08 when they ripped off 22 wins in a row. They started the streak with like Yao, T-Mac, and Dikembe, and (the greatest Hornet of all time) Luther Head? They won like 9 in a row and then Yao went out. And then they won 4 more and Dikembe went out. And then it was just T-Mac and a bunch of defensive players who were offensive liabilities? I don't want Rick Adelman (who was their coach), but I want a guy who is smart enough to work through major injuries to important players (they had Carl Landry starting at center for those last 9 wins). Monty has shown he can't win when he has to deal with injuries, and maybe that is a matter of Edelman having two decades more of coaching than Monty, but Monty has been on the job 4 years, and he still hasn't figured it out.
Also, I understand you can't compare the East to the West. We all know that the Western Conference is harder, and for that Monty should get some slack, but Monty is 4-7 against the East. To his credit he is 13-11 in the West.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
#bringinPhilCollins
I think his teams are known for the hustle and tempo, but I have seen great X and O work from him and the ability to make adjustments in game. Saw him do it to my Georgetown team in the tourney and later to Kansas.
I think there would be some bumps in the road early on in his career, but I think he is an incredibly bright and passionate guy who will be open minded and find a way to be great.
LMAO!
The problem with Shaka Smart (and it has been mentioned here before) is that his system is havoc. Full court press, pressing after made baskets, as a player you are constantly moving. Thats good if you have guys that can get up and down a court ala AD, Reke, Jrue, but that system is going to burn players out after a while because this isn't college basketball. In college you get multiple nights off. In the NBA you play multiple nights in a row.
In order for Havoc to work in the NBA you need a great bench. Not what we have now. We need the Houston Rockets 1993-1995 bench. We need a bench mob that can come and play hard basketball for 20+ min.s a game. I think we can find those guys, but we will have to get under the cap to get enough of them here.
Thats my only problem with Shaka.
Is anyone else reading this thread and thinking #bikinigirl?
And I have maintained that this is his system because of his situation. When you have less talent than your opponent, you have to cheat the game a little bit. And he will never get the talent there that the big boys get. I do think he would keep some principles wherever he went, but I refuse to believe he would keep havoc if he gets to the NBA.
I think he believes in tempo - and that he would implement this philosophy far differently in the NBA.
I don't know what's worse, that there is only a 40% chance both are gone or that there is a 60% chance Monty is still here
My thing is - Either give Dell an extension today or fire him NOW. I don't want a GM who doesn't know where he stands long term in control of our books right now. Monty can't mess us up anymore this year IMO, but Dell could still do things in the next month that could hurt us for years to come if he feels like it is playoffs or bust for him this year. Only thing I am scared of, outside of a major injury this year.I don't know what's worse, that there is only a 40% chance both are gone or that there is a 60% chance Monty is still here
Not to disagree but for the sake of argument the main complaints I see posted on PR about Monty are his rotations and in game decisions. He did bench Austin Rivers tonight which he had to do IMO. Jimmer comes in and did not shoot lights out like he needs to do. Monty shortened his rotations tonight and it did not work because our bench got outscored. He started Gordon AND Tyreke? We all knew Babbitt wouldn't play. AD played 41:30 minutes. He got his touches and baskets and the Pelicans still lost? Tyreke played less minutes. Holiday stayed in despite his infuriating tendency to get called. He did call time out tonight at the end of the game against the grain like so many posters have advocated but it failed miserably.
Not to defend Monty but the guy seems to be trying to change the Pelicans fortunes and doesn't seem to make the same mistakes over and over but? So what could Monty have done to help the outcome of this game. I'm sorry but I didn't see it.
I put a lot of this on the players tonight. Hopefully we can beat the Grizzles who I happen to think are OVERATED. But I no longer care if this team makes it to the PLAYOFFS.
Last edited by DRDJ1; 01-07-2015 at 11:10 PM.
I want Karl cause I think he could improve this roster as is. I think Karl would get us to the playoffs. He can coach another 4-5 years imo. He could get a top asst to come with him and groom him to take over when he does retire to make for a smooth transition and not missing a beat. I also want Larry brown to come here as well. He's older too but same scenario but I think Larry can coach another 6-8 years himself. I'm just saying we are in a dam losing culture right now and we need to get out of it quick. I think a more accomplished, experienced coach can do that for us right away. We don't need to win the finals in the next 2-3 years. We have to start getting in the dam playoffs and getting some 7 game series in. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
Agree 100%. Fans say - Monty should do X and Y differently. He does, and we still lose and now he is to blame for Q and R.
He has faults, no doubt. But I think I could win more with him and higher IQ guys than the same players and 95% of coaches.
While he can change his system once he gets to the NBA and has the same level talent to the competition (well except for Philly...those guys are going to be a joke well into Shaka's first few years here), how much of his success will he lose by changing it? That has been his edge for all these years (getting junk yard dogs who might not have the basketball skill, but certainly have the athletic skill). In the NBA kids with the athletic skill and no brains get washed out super quick (JuJu then, AR now). Now skill outweighs athletecism, so you are going to need a lot of skilled athletic guys (you don't need a team full of Lebrons or AD's, but you can't have a team of Asik, Anderson, and Gordon playing long minuets in that system. You need to cut their minuets and have adequate replacements ready to run.
It would be fun to have him here.
If Karl came with a long term answer at assistant, then I would be down. I think 4-5 years is unrealistic for him, but 2-3 might be doable. But if there was a guy who was a lock to be a great long term coach, he wouldn't settle for an assistants role just to wait out a guy. But yes - a Bobboy Bowden/Jimbo Fisher situation would be ideal.
Larry Brown has young kids. Young kids make old people younger. My 75 year old father in law is still surfing and boogie boarding on account of my 19yo brother in law always wanting to go to the beach, and surf.
I think Larry Brown has it in him to coach till he is cold and 6ft under. The question is, would his system work here?
How anyone can claim that George Karl is not a clear upgrade over Monty is absolutely baffling. I mean are you people serious?? Monty couldn't sniff Karl's jock for christs sake. It's a huge upgrade and it's not even a debate. Any other point of how old he is and all that u can refer to my post above for that discussion.
I agree, what I mean is I'm sure in all of Karl's years he knows some up and coming asst coaches. Bring him in with him for said plan. Don't think it's far fetched at all tbh. Never said anything about a lock either. Not sure how u got that. I mean is there even a such thing?
Monty's biggest fault is his wardrobe. He doesn't need to be GQ. But?
Zz Top – Sharp Dressed Man Lyrics
Clean shirt, new shoes
And I don't know where I am goin' to.
Silk suit, black tie,
I don't need a reason why.
They come runnin' just as fast as they can
Cause every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.
Last edited by DRDJ1; 01-07-2015 at 11:30 PM.
I just think that if Karl knew this guy, then other people do too. My thing is I see a trend with dynasty's. They have an All-Time great player and one coach throughout the dynasty (or at least the vast majority of it -Auerbach handed it off at end).
I would search heaven and earth for a guy that can grow with AD for the next 10-15 years. If I couldn't find that guy, then I would move on to options like the one you suggested. But thats me. I don't think our owner will seek out the same thing.
The Cavs searched the Earth for him, and he might be available come years end (if not sooner).
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