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They didn't get much for rondo which was crazy. If your Boston and can get a 1st for green and next year trade gordon for a first as an expiring. That's not a bad deal if they want to stockpile 1's. Granted if I was Boston the only way I'd do it is if I'm tanking and trying to load up on picks.
Boston has 18 combined picks the next 4 years, how much more do they want?
That's crazy. They should now focus on clearing cap space.Originally Posted by LouisianaPride
Have you not learned anything never commit to anything 100%. That way you can never be wrong.
I agree tho it would have to be a three team trade sending Gordon elsewhere like the one with Hornets or Boston shedding way more salary like sending Wallace out (maybe the blazers)
If Dell manages to get Green then it is more than likely to be pretty complicated
The Celtics can make a better deal with almost everyone else. FIFY
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Yeah they COULD. I COULD marry Hall Berry. I COULD win 1 million bucks. But it's very unlikely. There is no market for Jeff Green for what the Celtics want and it won't get any better when he becomes an expiring.
Green has a player option next year. If he moves, it'll probably be a sign and trade.
So if green has a player option next year and reports are that he's unhappy with the Celtics situation. What do you think the chances are that he declines the option?
Slim. As noted before in this thread, Green would be wise to wait for the new tv deal.
I think he is too old to wait for the new tv deal. He has one long contract left that's why he'll opt out after this year. Then he'll sign a 3 year deal next year which will put him into his 30's, at least that is what I would do if I was Green.
I'm curious. ..if Dell could've gotten him in a trade. ..What kind of Deal would Dell offer him...
I'm curious. ..if Dell could've gotten him in a trade. ..What kind of Deal would Dell offer him...
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See a number of detractors. Understandable. But I think Green's faults are primarily a result of him being the...primary offensive player for them.
I mean, we complain about players with high usages like those are absolute and unchangeable qualities. We complain about not having enough offense out of our 3 spot, we target a talented scorer with tools to be good on defense as well...but he's not perfect. So he'll bring our team down?
I'm not gungho about the move. But ONLY because of the potential cost.
The Celtics didn't get much for Rondo? Really? Dude is an UFA this summer and they got a ton for him.
But, Let's follow this insane logic. IF it were possible to hold onto Gordon and trade him this summer for a 1st round pick, WHY WOULD WE NOT DO IT? Why would we trade for a guy who has the ability to leave this summer instead of just clearing the cap space, sign a FA SF, AND gain a 1st round pick?
These ideas that some of you are proposing are bonkers. They're so far gone.
It is 100%, impossible, that Dell could trade Gordon for Green straight up like Guru suggested. I would bet any amount of money on this.
Edit: trade machine not working correctly with links. Test it for yourself and you will see Green simply doesn't make enough to allow for a straight up trade for Gordon.
Jeff Green has 1000 times more market value than Gordon. WORST case scenario is they can just give him away and tank while gaining a huge trade exception. We cannot just give Gordon away.
This is the EXACT reason he will wait. Why would he leave for his last contract one year earlier? He will be 29 years old if he waits until the end of his contract. It makes zero sense to not wait before signing his contract unless he is worried about injury. He would basically be leaving 9m on the table.
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Wait I'm confused the trade you sent me in the trade machine was Gordon for Green straight up. But you said it was impossible. What makes it impossible
Oh weird. The link somehow glitches and gives both teams huge trade exceptions that could fit both players. This isn't a correct one. I just retested. Try and trade Gordon for Jeff Green. It's impossible because Green's salary is not large enough to handle trading Gordon for him straight up.
Yeah I figured trade machine just messed up. But bottom line Green probably isn't coming here and honestly I don't want to give up anything other than Gordon to get him.
No way I give up Ryno, and def don't want to empty our bench. And lose what little depth we have.
Besides all Cunningham needs to do is develop a consistent three point shot and we have our sf of the future
I agree with most of this.Yeah I figured trade machine just messed up. But bottom line Green probably isn't coming here and honestly I don't want to give up anything other than Gordon to get him.
No way I give up Ryno, and def don't want to empty our bench. And lose what little depth we have.
Besides all Cunningham needs to do is develop a consistent three point shot and we have our sf of the future
I'm not opposed to getting Green, but I'm not moving one of our top 5 to do it unless it's a bigger trade. If they want to take a bunch of our bench guys for him sure. But thinking trading for Green magically fixes out team is silly. We will either be weak at the 3 or further weaken our bench. We can't really help this until the summer.
As far as Cunningham goes, I really like him. Hope we are able to get him signed longer this summer. I don't know that he will ever be our long term starting SF, but he should be a great guy off he bench no matter what.
Absolutely cunningham as the starting sf is 100% more wishful thinking than it is any kind of actuality.
Why give up assets for a tweener forward that doesn't fill our need (defense) and will be needing a new big contract when we just signed an effective tweener forward on the cheap (Cunningham)?
This is not to say that Cunningham is the answer, but that the combination of Green and Cunningham seems redundant. I think the SF we end up acquiring should be more of a specialist player that and is closer to being a 2 than a 4 if he were to be a tweener of any kind. In a perfect world, this would be Jimmy Butler. Realistically, I'm hoping for Demarre Carroll, Jared Dudley or Mike Dunleavy to fill in the needed role.
There is no need to rush this. Realistically our chances of making the playoffs are very slim this year and even if we do make it, we're not going to get past the 1st round.
Adding Jeff Green and figuring out that chemistry mid-season for an already growing team I don't think makes this team better enough to give a good enough chance of making the playoffs to warrant the assets we'd have to give up. Just wait and get a player that won't require us to forfeit assets.
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um mm I'm not in the Gordon for Green camp. Not sure why you quoted me.The Celtics didn't get much for Rondo? Really? Dude is an UFA this summer and they got a ton for him.
But, Let's follow this insane logic. IF it were possible to hold onto Gordon and trade him this summer for a 1st round pick, WHY WOULD WE NOT DO IT? Why would we trade for a guy who has the ability to leave this summer instead of just clearing the cap space, sign a FA SF, AND gain a 1st round pick?
These ideas that some of you are proposing are bonkers. They're so far gone.
It is 100%, impossible, that Dell could trade Gordon for Green straight up like Guru suggested. I would bet any amount of money on this.
Edit: trade machine not working correctly with links. Test it for yourself and you will see Green simply doesn't make enough to allow for a straight up trade for Gordon.
Jeff Green has 1000 times more market value than Gordon. WORST case scenario is they can just give him away and tank while gaining a huge trade exception. We cannot just give Gordon away.
This is the EXACT reason he will wait. Why would he leave for his last contract one year earlier? He will be 29 years old if he waits until the end of his contract. It makes zero sense to not wait before signing his contract unless he is worried about injury. He would basically be leaving 9m on the table.
I'm pretty sure my quote and answer explains this. I don't agree at all that Green has no market.
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I see.
First the trade machine doesn't take into account the trade exception or 1st round picks. Boston has a 12 million exception so they can take a player worth 12 million and give nothing back. Now I'm not a math genius but 15-9 is well within the 12 million. I'm just saying it can be done not saying it's perfect. There are other players if like but if Boston is the only one willing to deal I'd do it.
As for opting out we had West opt out coming off an ACL so coming off a good year Green WILL opt out and hope to get 9 million or so for 3 more years verses just one more year.
Rondo TE is $12,909,090 according to the trade machine. this means Boston can only take back that +$100k and nothing more. This is effectively store credit they can use, from a previous transaction. It is not a new transaction. you can't combine this with another salary to take on a higher player salary.
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