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  1. #151
    I do not want Garcia, his PER is 3 he is worse then Freddette. I wish everyone would stop trying to get everyone elses garbage. SMH

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    The rockets get our pick if we fall between 4-19. Which if we finish as an 8 seed I think it goes to them. If we finish much higher the trade moves back another year and we keep the pick. That's what makes it hard to trade a first cause it might not be for a few years potentially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelicanchamp View Post
    We are good enough to make the playoffs and I think we will. Before the season started I predicted they'd be 9th in the west and miss the playoffs.

    I agree the thunder is a threat no doubt. Remember we beat the thunder when they had Durant and Westbrook. We also beat the spurs and the rockets. We gave golden state a lot of problems in our last game with them. We also pushed the CAVS around quite a bit in our win over them.

    I think if we are at full strength we will be in the playoffs. I think Portland or thunder will fall out. The pelicans are better than Portland. We will be a top ten team by the end of the season. We just need to be consistent. Players like Anderson, Cunningham, and Tyreke will have a significant impact on what happens.

    Feel free to go look at those teams schedules and tell me how we come out on top of them. We beat the Thunder with a limited Durant and with both of their stars getting back from injury. They will be a different beast in a couple weeks. They will be a different beast when we play them again on Sunday on the end of our back to back.

    Portland is currently 20-6. I don't know how you can argue they are a worse team then us. Or how they will drop enough games, barring injury, for us to not only catch them but to surpass them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    That is an awful deal then.

    Can you explain to me why Jeff Green is worth taking on Wallace's contract? Even if we stretch it?

    I posed a question on the last page that no one has yet to answer. What is so good about Jeff Green? Everything I have seen and read indicates he is not a talent worthy of that cost and doesnt fit in with what we need except that he is a SF.
    Green is a utility player. He is good at almost everything but rebounding and not great at anything. We have too many specialists on our team. We need a player that can open our offense consistently and play good defense. He is three and D with a little lagniappe in that he can get to the rim if the matchup is right.

    So now you answer why don't you like him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    Again though, can you or somebody sell me on why Jeff Green deserves giving up an asset like a first rounder? Conditional or not? Can someone explain to me how he pushes us over the edge or cements a long-term championship caliber roster? I see a guy who is not a good shooter, is ball dominate, a bad rebounder, below average defender, low BBIQ , will hurt spacing. Who's best assets (attacking the rim) are redundant with Evans on the roster. Maybe if we had a more traditional shooting guard like Morrow, Matthews, Thompson or Beal, he would be an interesting piece to take a chance on.
    I don't watch Boston unless they play the Pelicans but he has size and can shoot. His percentage may not be awesome but I'm assuming he can shoot well enough to keep teams honest when he is on the wing (while Reke is on the floor) and more athletic than Babbit for fast breaks. It's the same reason I'd want Wilson Chandler, more rotation options.

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    What if it was gordon starting with him instead?
    And Evans off the bench? How does that closing squad work? Jrue, Evans, Green, Davis and Ryno? It would be a defensive joke and I think Davis would become an odd man out with Green and Evans tendency to dominate the ball in the fourth. But I don't think Evans will even entertain going back to that role.

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    Have you seen our defense now. He has to be better than Babbit who is starting.

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    Also Green or Chandler are versatile enough to play SG if needed, Babbit or Cunningham can't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper View Post
    Green is a utility player. He is good at almost everything but rebounding and not great at anything. We have too many specialists on our team. We need a player that can open our offense consistently and play good defense. He is three and D with a little lagniappe in that he can get to the rim if the matchup is right.

    So now you answer why don't you like him?
    Quote Originally Posted by tdcreator View Post
    I don't watch Boston unless they play the Pelicans but he has size and can shoot. His percentage may not be awesome but I'm assuming he can shoot well enough to keep teams honest when he is on the wing (while Reke is on the floor) and more athletic than Babbit for fast breaks. It's the same reason I'd want Wilson Chandler, more rotation options.

    He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter(32%). Only 31% catch and shoot % despite playing with an elite set-up guy in Rondo. He's a below average defender, he's not a great rebounder,(average a little under 1.5 rebounds every 10 minutes) he's inconsistent(though gotten better), he arguably lacks court vision, isn't a good distributor, and has questionable BBIQ. The teams also plays better with him off the court(that has been argued because he plays minutes with their abysmal bench so this one may not be fair).

    Nothing about him screams 3 and D. He is a slasher with questionable IQ that should be a better defender then he is given his size and lateral quickness. He is like Tyreke Evans 2.0 with a slightly better jumper. and no real passing skills. Except he actually has legitimate SF size. Why should we want to give up a first for him and consider him the final piece to our longterm starting roster?

    I would rather save the first round pick for a better offer or go after someone like Chandler or Green in FA and keep the pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    The rumor of Boston seeking a first and the rumor of N.O. being interested in Green are both plausible rumors. Verifiable 100%? No, unless something goes down or one side confirms.

    What you injected into the conversation was outlandish implausibility. And Im not even sure why? Because again, if the only argument that can be concocted that you perceive would change the tone of peoples willingness to acquire Green is an implausible one-sided trade, you are indirectly confirming what the people who were arguing against a plausible Green-to-the-Pelicans trade are saying. That he isn't worth giving up real, quality value for.
    First off. Someone mentioned a trade that involved sending Gordon to the Hornets Lance to the celtics and green to us. So it's not beyond the realm of possibility to imagine a three team trade that sends Gordon elsewhere and the first that Boston is looking for. Which is something that is far more imaginable. Never did a suggest we send celtics Gordon straight up for Green. I just argued that if you include Gordon in the trade somehow you pretty much have to pull the trigger.

    Second to use some logic for a second.
    There is no way that we trade for green without sending out some kind of salary. It was already confirmed that tyreke was not going anywhere after shutting down a few inquiries about him. And if Dell trades young Reke for a much older Green he deserves to be fired. No way we trade Jrue or asik for him, so the only plausible way to get the salaries to match with out getting rid of our entire bench is sending out Ryno or Gordon. So take your pick which one you want to send away.

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    I think he would be a better fit right now than gordon. I think we as fans want a traditional SF but there is t many good ones. There are a lot combo players around that size but not many are available.

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    We ain't trading for anyone. Anyone substantial anyway.

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    Anderson and Rvers

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    Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and Phil Pressey.

    If they wanna blow it up and get young guys playing time; might as well send Bass back home. We'd be losing a PF anyway in the deal

    we get a starting five and depth, while losing The Marksman

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    yall are funny sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    They get it. 1-3, 20-30 protected. Us just missing the playoffs is exactly what the Rockets are banking on and they are likely going to be right.
    Thanks.
    So we either have to make the playoff or lose every single game from here on in to keep the pick?

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    I doubt anyone thought a team would take on the Ariza and Okafor contracts, let alone both of them simultaneously...so while I agree that Gordon's contract is up there with the worst of the league, its not necessarily impossible that we find a third team willing to take on the atrocity that is Gordon's contract. It is however, highly, highly highly unlikely UNLESS we give up significant value in exchange. Chances are nothing gets done until Gordon opts out (which is never happening) or his contract expires. Perhaps next year we'll have the ability move Gordon to another team since he'll be an expiring then, but anyone who sees Gordon's contract as a trade chip at this point of time is cray cray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Thanks.
    So we either have to make the playoff or lose every single game from here on in to keep the pick?
    I think we would have to make the second round to guarantee keeping the pick. Which means having to knock off a team like GS or Memphis assuming we can even maintain the 8th seed by the end of the season.

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    Gordons deal has 1 year after this. Not every team is looking to spend big next year and needs the cap space, his trade value is negative but he isn't immovable

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    I think we would have to make the second round to guarantee keeping the pick. Which means having to knock off a team like GS or Memphis assuming we can even maintain the 8th seed by the end of the season.
    The first 14 picks in the draft belong to teams that had missed the*playoffs; the order was determined through a lottery. The lottery determined the three teams that would obtain the first three picks on the draft. The remaining first-round picks and the second-round picks were assigned to teams in reverse order of their win-loss record in theprevious season. As it is commonplace in the event of identical win-loss records, the NBA performed a random drawing to break the ties on April 18, 2014.

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    Because of how weak the east is, if we make the playoffs we will keep our pick.

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    Gordon for green isnt too far fetched and here is why. If u are a rebuilding team it gives u a year to tank and get a good draft pick and will free up 16 million in cap the same year durant will be a free agent. Boston is about to go total rebuild mode

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    Keeping Green does the same thing. To a lesser extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelican_Brief View Post
    Keeping Green does the same thing. To a lesser extent.
    very true which is why you would have to send a pick or young talent to sweeten the pot. If you wanted to do Green for Gordon

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    If a late first is all I have to give up to clear 15 million on my cap for next year. I'm in. I've always given EG a chance and I'll root for him as long is he is on the team, but I'm ready to move on. Green or Chandler or any decent SF is icing in the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    Gordon for green isnt too far fetched and here is why. If u are a rebuilding team it gives u a year to tank and get a good draft pick and will free up 16 million in cap the same year durant will be a free agent. Boston is about to go total rebuild mode
    That's just silly. Gordon for Green straight up is just about as far fetched as you can get. Green is a B- level asset. They can get far better offers than Gordon for Green. Worst case if they wanted to tank they could just GIVE Green away and not have to have a horrible contract in Gordon.

    0% chance a Gordon for Green straight up trade ever happens.

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    Gordon and a 1st for Green and Bass makes so much sense. The Celtics save $3M this season and get a pick. Green absolutely is not down with the tank and is frustrated with losing. They're going to have to move him soon and nobody is giving them an expiring AND a pick for him.

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