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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout View Post
    i he is way too risky for the 6th pick. the only reason he gets attention is his athleticism and the "what he could be" factor. id rather get a guy who we know who he is.

    pelicans can't take chances on projects. we need sure things.
    List the "sure things" in this draft. There are none. They are ALL being drafted on potential, measurables, etc.

    Len is a consensus top 10 pick, he wouldn't be any more a risk at 6 than any player in the draft IMO.


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    Not a fan of Len. Also I think Davis' future is at PF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGeauxPels View Post
    List the "sure things" in this draft. There are none. They are ALL being drafted on potential, measurables, etc.


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    im not saying the player below are going to be hall of famers or all stars, but they're lower risk than len from what I've seen

    olidipo, bennett, burke, zeller, mccullom, carter-williams, goodwin, caldwell pope, franklin, rice jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout View Post
    im not saying the player below are going to be hall of famers or all stars, but they're lower risk than len from what I've seen

    olidipo, bennett, burke, zeller, mccullom, carter-williams, goodwin, caldwell pope, franklin, rice jr.
    Only three of those players I would even consider picking before Len and none of them are risk free and that's the point.
    We want more! We want more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    Not a fan of Len. Also I think Davis' future is at PF.
    I'll tell you why a player like Len makes sense. If you truly feel that Davis is the 4 of the future, then I'm sure you aren't so high on Lopez as the center of the future. Jason Smith contract will be up soon and he could very well cost as much as Lopez to keep.

    Now here's the biggest factor. We all know how expensive NBA centers can be and how hard it is to acquire a good one. It's very rare to find a good center outside of the lottery and when Lopez and his contract is up, you'll have to replace him. Seeing that we shouldn't be in the lottery in two years at our pace, it kills your flexibility to have to go find a suitable replacement.

    It's a lot easier to find a guard or wing outside of the lottery compared to a prototypical big man with the skillset. Now I'm not advocating that we select Len but I don't think it's a bad idea to take a guy that could man the position with Davis for the next decade. I don't know if Len that type of player but I can see why it is considered an attractive option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    I'll tell you why a player like Len makes sense. If you truly feel that Davis is the 4 of the future, then I'm sure you aren't so high on Lopez as the center of the future. Jason Smith contract will be up soon and he could very well cost as much as Lopez to keep.

    Now here's the biggest factor. We all know how expensive NBA centers can be and how hard it is to acquire a good one. It's very rare to find a good center outside of the lottery and when Lopez and his contract is up, you'll have to replace him. Seeing that we shouldn't be in the lottery in two years at our pace, it kills your flexibility to have to go find a suitable replacement.

    It's a lot easier to find a guard or wing outside of the lottery compared to a prototypical big man with the skillset. Now I'm not advocating that we select Len but I don't think it's a bad idea to take a guy that could man the position with Davis for the next decade. I don't know if Len that type of player but I can see why it is considered an attractive option.
    This is exactly what I'm seeing. We pass on Len now and AD stays at PF we will have hole in our lineup for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    I'll tell you why a player like Len makes sense. If you truly feel that Davis is the 4 of the future, then I'm sure you aren't so high on Lopez as the center of the future. Jason Smith contract will be up soon and he could very well cost as much as Lopez to keep.

    Now here's the biggest factor. We all know how expensive NBA centers can be and how hard it is to acquire a good one. It's very rare to find a good center outside of the lottery and when Lopez and his contract is up, you'll have to replace him. Seeing that we shouldn't be in the lottery in two years at our pace, it kills your flexibility to have to go find a suitable replacement.

    It's a lot easier to find a guard or wing outside of the lottery compared to a prototypical big man with the skillset. Now I'm not advocating that we select Len but I don't think it's a bad idea to take a guy that could man the position with Davis for the next decade. I don't know if Len that type of player but I can see why it is considered an attractive option.
    Great post.....i'm starting to lean towards Len over Burke as I have faith River's can be just as good.
    However if Len's foot injury is bad then I dont want him at all.
    My only problem is that our medical staff will have to make that decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Great post.....i'm starting to lean towards Len over Burke as I have faith River's can be just as good.
    However if Len's foot injury is bad then I dont want him at all.
    My only problem is that our medical staff will have to make that decision.
    Agreed, it's seems like it shouldn't be hard to get a top notch medical staff. Show them the MONEY! And his injury is not bad only had surgery to make sure it wouldn't be a future problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGeauxPels View Post
    List the "sure things" in this draft. There are none. They are ALL being drafted on potential, measurables, etc.

    Len is a consensus top 10 pick, he wouldn't be any more a risk at 6 than any player in the draft IMO.


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    Fair dos. That being said, if we're gambling I'd rather gamble on someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donato View Post
    Fair dos. That being said, if we're gambling I'd rather gamble on someone else.
    That's your choice. But I'm putting my money Len.

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    Len? I'd rather trade down myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    My only problem is that our medical staff will have to make that decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack View Post
    Agreed, it's seems like it shouldn't be hard to get a top notch medical staff. Show them the MONEY! And his injury is not bad only had surgery to make sure it wouldn't be a future problem.

    I'm sure it's a little more involved than just the team trainers giving Len the 'ole once over. Any player that has or is recovering from and injury is sent to doctors and specialist who are 'likely' experts in the field of that particular injury and they asses and give their reports to the team. The doctor that preformed the opreation will be consulted as will the rehab doctors and all that will be compaired with similar injuries and player histories etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davisistheman View Post
    I'm sure it's a little more involved than just the team trainers giving Len the 'ole once over. Any player that has or is recovering from and injury is sent to doctors and specialist who are 'likely' experts in the field of that particular injury and they asses and give their reports to the team. The doctor that preformed the opreation will be consulted as will the rehab doctors and all that will be compaired with similar injuries and player histories etc.
    Yes but are these 'likely experts' held accountable like the personnel of our medical staff should/would be?
    I think not.
    At the end of the day its just their opinion whether or not they think the player will have reoccurring problems
    and if they are wrong......oh well.

    Nobody can be 100% sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN View Post
    Yes but are these 'likely experts' held accountable like the personnel of our medical staff should/would be?
    I think not.
    At the end of the day its just their opinion whether or not they think the player will have reoccurring problems
    and if they are wrong......oh well.

    Nobody can be 100% sure.
    I can assure you those Doctors have just as much riding on it, maybe more. A couple bad calls and its not just getting let go from your team, your entire practice comes under fire and you stop being viewed as an expert. That's not to say mistakes ant happen, but being a sports doctor is big business that is entirely built around how good you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    I can assure you those Doctors have just as much riding on it, maybe more. A couple bad calls and its not just getting let go from your team, your entire practice comes under fire and you stop being viewed as an expert. That's not to say mistakes ant happen, but being a sports doctor is big business that is entirely built around how good you are.
    This!

    Hey theres good money in being Dr. Joe Blow the orthopedic surgeon, but don't underestimate the alure of being Dr. James Andrews the orthopedic surgeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack View Post
    That's your choice. But I'm putting my money Len.
    So you're all Len? Wow that was bad
    Wherehappens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Haze View Post
    So you're all Len? Wow that was bad
    Lool im not sold on Len at all. Len not working out at the combine really hurt his chance to impress me. Steven Adams ftw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJackisangry View Post
    Lool im not sold on Len at all. Len not working out at the combine really hurt his chance to impress me. Steven Adams ftw!
    You would pass on Len for Adams? Based on what? The combine? Cause his numbers weren't better. Olowakandi anyone? NBA workout warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davisistheman View Post
    I'm sure it's a little more involved than just the team trainers giving Len the 'ole once over. Any player that has or is recovering from and injury is sent to doctors and specialist who are 'likely' experts in the field of that particular injury and they asses and give their reports to the team. The doctor that preformed the opreation will be consulted as will the rehab doctors and all that will be compaired with similar injuries and player histories etc.
    I agree but I'm just saying our medical squad has not been what I would call adequate recently. Why can't we just get better people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack View Post
    You would pass on Len for Adams? Based on what? The combine? Cause his numbers weren't better. Olowakandi anyone? NBA workout warrior.
    Ive watched Len maybe thrice, and he was not very impressive when i watched him. He does not stand out, and he did not show me anything to justify picking him. I think he will be a massive bust, but thats just my opinion. (No- i would not take Adams a 6... I just wish we had a later pick to grab him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout View Post
    way too often maryland played a good opponent and Len disappeared. 5, 6, 7 points/boards. his combine and measurables are great, but his game isn't. maryland didn't even make the tournament. i know he's young and has a lot of potential, but the last thing the hornets need is a big with foot problems who wants to play away from the basket.
    THIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJackisangry View Post
    Ive watched Len maybe thrice, and he was not very impressive when i watched him. He does not stand out, and he did not show me anything to justify picking him. I think he will be a massive bust, but thats just my opinion. (No- i would not take Adams a 6... I just wish we had a later pick to grab him).
    And what games were that? Cause the national televised ones against UK and Duke he dominated. And the last two games of the NIT he dominated as well. It must have been one those games he was getting triple teamed every time he touched the ball which happened more often than not.
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    THIS.
    But THIS is not true, but go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack View Post
    I agree but I'm just saying our medical squad has not been what I would call adequate recently. Why can't we just get better people?
    I don't think I know enough "True" details to judge either way. We assume they missed on Gordon, but I've read some reports that they understood his injury, and knew it would be a process. One thing that comforts me is that new owner Mr. Benson is very good at surrounding himself with quality poeple that help him make the most educated decisions. I feel comfortable that if the medical staff is less than standard, they will be ungraded.
    Last edited by Davisistheman; 06-06-2013 at 08:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack View Post
    I don't love Len and in fact prefer Zeller as a player, but he does have a perfect frame, is really athletic, is coordinated, and has some rough offensive skills. That combination is valuable in any draft and might be worthSometimes those guys are Andre Drummond (who I would have passed in at 6 last year for Lilliard, Barnes, etc.) and sometimes they're Meyers Leonard.

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