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    The Missing Piece: Trade Scenarios for Bledsoe, Lowry, Deng, Parsons, and More

    I really think Monty and Dell could help cousins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CP3nDX30 View Post
    his journey reminds me alot of Z-Bo's. I don't deny he's got issues but the talent far outweighs the risk. He still plays and if you're winning games issues don't arise. He's got two years left, trade for him this year and if he can't keep it together I trust there would be a substantial market for him in the summer.
    He's not worth giving up alot. He will have issues with Monty as well and other coaches in the future. Its not a maturity issue like Z-Bo (who had some drug problems as well), but more psychological issues. Seems like he just doesnt have control and its an impulse problem. Rather pass on him. He isn't that great anyway.

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    We have to get Bledsoe he is an absolute beast. He will be the best defensive PG in the NBA on this team. Mini LeBron is an understatement. But really he can do everything LeBron does at the PG position. I think with starters minutes he lead PGs in Steals, Rebounds, Blocks, and has potential to be right up with the scorers and assists leaders once developed better. I love Gordon but would rather a backcourt of Bledsoe/Rivers/George or Bledsoe/Rivers/Deng then a Rivers/Gordon/George-Deng or Bledsoe/Rivers-Gordon/?. I really believe if we can get Bledsoe and maybe move Gordon for a good SF asset in return once value rises will set us for the future. We are in the Western Finals by year 3 if we make some moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78 View Post
    He's not worth giving up alot. He will have issues with Monty as well and other coaches in the future. Its not a maturity issue like Z-Bo (who had some drug problems as well), but more psychological issues. Seems like he just doesnt have control and its an impulse problem. Rather pass on him. He isn't that great anyway.
    He really is. Dude is big as hell, could dribble and move like a forward. Most importantly if someone was to get in his head and force him into the paint than he would be one of the best bigs in the post. He ceiling is as high as Heaven, but his attitude sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bojangles837 View Post
    I really think Monty and Dell could help cousins.
    Close to home. Around two fellow Kentucky alums. Who knows. I'm not balking at the prospect even though there seems to be some high risk.

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    Man I should have lool at this topic before making the Cousins one, sorry

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    I guess I'm the only one who would rather keep the draft pick. Before somebody responds that Gordon could take us out of that range, he has to actually stay healthy long enough to make a big impact. If we get towards the end of the season and are in "tank" mode then no reason to have Gordon in there

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    The Missing Piece: Trade Scenarios for Bledsoe, Lowry, Deng, Parsons, and More

    Give me Bledsoe but not for this years first. Make it 2014 top 3 protected and the players.

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    I don't understand why people think Houston would give up Parsons... He's under an amazing contract and is their starter for a foreseeable future. The Rockets got rid of Budinger in order to give Parson bigger minutes. Put down the crack pipe people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    I don't understand why people think Houston would give up Parsons... He's under an amazing contract and is their starter for a foreseeable future. The Rockets got rid of Budinger in order to give Parson bigger minutes. Put down the crack pipe people.
    There is a difference betwen "giving someone up" and trading someone for a better player. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league. If you identify a guy like that as a difference maker a franchise cornerstone, you give up slightly above average wing players (even if they are on a great contract) to get them.

    Knicks didn't "give up on" Galinari, Chandler, Mozgov, etc. - they just identified a star and in this league you usually have to give in order to get.
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    With latest Cousins news, here is my best trade attempt staying true to the article, using our 2013 pick involving Sacto:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btkzdv9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    I don't understand why people think Houston would give up Parsons... He's under an amazing contract and is their starter for a foreseeable future. The Rockets got rid of Budinger in order to give Parson bigger minutes. Put down the crack pipe people.
    He's about to be an RFA. His contract is going to go substantially up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    With latest Cousins news, here is my best trade attempt staying true to the article, using our 2013 pick involving Sacto:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btkzdv9
    Unprotected or Top 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    There is a difference betwen "giving someone up" and trading someone for a better player. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league. If you identify a guy like that as a difference maker a franchise cornerstone, you give up slightly above average wing players (even if they are on a great contract) to get them.

    Knicks didn't "give up on" Galinari, Chandler, Mozgov, etc. - they just identified a star and in this league you usually have to give in order to get.
    They gave that up for a HEALTHY Anthony... A guy many people considered a top 5 player OVERALL. Bynum is out indefinitely with no timetable on his return. Unless he miraculously comes back and show that he is healthy before the deadline, why in the world would any team including the Rockets give up that many assets for a injured guy who could walk in the Summer if he chooses to do so? Absolutely makes zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOH2313 View Post
    He's about to be an RFA. His contract is going to go substantially up.
    Houston has an option on him or two more years. A very friendly option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QPon20 View Post
    Unprotected or Top 3?
    I don't see a difference in this draft to be honest.

    Of course I go into the negotiation saying that I want Top 3 protection, but if they demand it is unprotected or they move on to another deal, I cave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    They gave that up for a HEALTHY Anthony... A guy many people considered a top 5 player OVERALL. Bynum is out indefinitely with no timetable on his return. Unless he miraculously comes back and show that he is healthy before the deadline, why in the world would any team including the Rockets give up that many assets for a injured guy who could walk in the Summer if he chooses to do so? Absolutely makes zero sense.
    In a world where two teams were willing to give $58 million to an injured SG who only played 9 games last year, I believe it is very plausible that a team gives up average assets for a top 2 Center who has been given the green light this week to start rehabilitation and who said he is extremely confident that he will play this year.

    But to each their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    In a world where two teams were willing to give $58 million to an injured SG who only played 9 games last year, I believe it is very plausible that a team gives up average assets for a top 2 Center who has been given the green light this week to start rehabilitation and who said he is extremely confident that he will play this year.

    But to each their own
    Yea.. A world where they actually saw him play and play without any limitations. What happened after the contract was given is another story. It's not believable that any team would give up that much for damaged good without knowing if he can come back from the injury without limitations. Teams would only do that deal if and only if an extension was agreed upon and that would require the guy to be healthy enough to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    Yea.. A world where they actually saw him play and play without any limitations. What happened after the contract was given is another story. It's not believable that any team would give up that much for damaged good without knowing if he can come back from the injury without limitations. Teams would only do that deal if and only if an extension was agreed upon and that would require the guy to be healthy enough to play.
    Sixers have said that they have had numerous calls for Bynum and have even said they are listening to everything, but if I were a GM I would tend to agree with your logic. However, there are GM's out there that are huge risk takers and not all of them think alike. OKC's GM passed on Chandler, while Charlotte's and Dallas's said "Yes, please"

    If Philly really is entertaining the idea of moving Bynum, I would bet my life that at least a half a dozen GM's are willing to make a trade. Heck, teams were offering packages for Oden every year that he was hurt. There are franchises (like Houston) that will never land a Wadeor Bosh or Lebron in free agency and they will never be bad enough to draft an Anthony Davis, so they have to take big risks to get their stars.

    I understand that you (or I) wouldn't do it in a million years if we were a GM, but that is not good rationale for saying that no GM would do it. Some simply would.

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    screw it. trade the pick for bledsoe. sick of GV

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    Sixers have said that they have had numerous calls for Bynum and have even said they are listening to everything, but if I were a GM I would tend to agree with your logic. However, there are GM's out there that are huge risk takers and not all of them think alike. OKC's GM passed on Chandler, while Charlotte's and Dallas's said "Yes, please"

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    The thunder gm wanted chandler but her failed the physical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    The thunder gm wanted chandler but her failed the physical.
    He didn't fail the physical. The doctor said that he would be prone to future injuries because of a degenerative condition. Charlotte and Dallas had the same info and took the risk. That is the point of my example, some GM's are high risk, some are low risk.

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    New Orleans Hornets' last 12 games before the All-Star break with a sprained left ankle. But that had nothing to do with why he failed his physical with the Oklahoma City Thunder and was thus sent back to the Hornets on Wednesday
    http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=3917505


    "However, he failed the physical because of a toe injury, and one day later, the Thunder announced that they rescinded the trade"
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Chandler

    "Chandler failed a physical Wednesday, and the Thunder backed out of the deal that sent Chris Wilcox, Joe Smith and second-round pick DeVon Hardin to New Orleans"
    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/18/c....ap/index.html


    You might not classify it as a failed physical but the rest of the world does.
    Last edited by BallSoHard; 12-22-2012 at 10:51 PM.

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    That is the Thunder's side of it. They needed to word it that way to back out of the trade. Check out what Chandler said after. It was his doctor who performed the physical and he was confused as to why his own doctor would now say it was degenerative.

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter. This isn't about Chandler. It is about whether or not you believe some GM's are bigger risk takers than others.

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