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    The things people say after a loss.

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    Pelicans (5-15) vs Thunder (17-4) 12/12/12

    Quote Originally Posted by HunnyB View Post
    I hope they see that when they look at the film of this game. They don't have the point guard 'vision' that we need most of the time.
    I felt Roberts was looking somewhere else when Davis and Smith were open and Vasquez seemed to be completely turned around every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceedee M View Post
    If it went in you would not care. Vasquez has hit money shots before. Anybody other than Anderson, yall will complain. The man put all the people who can hit a 3 in the game if it came to it. Greivis shot looked good. Find another scapegoat.
    Actually I'm not one of those fans. Vasquez shouldn't of been in the position to take the game winning shot when rivers/roberts have been hitting their 3s tonight. Period

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    I don't understand why Monty doesn't run Rivers at the point and let Roberts play off the ball. Much better fit for both their skill sets. I think Roberts actually has a place in this league as a scorer off the bench (especially as a catch-and-shoot guy), but he has to be used right.
    They ALL have to be used right. I don't like that Davis seems to spend so much time on the perimeter. He's not a guard anymore. All players need to be put in positions to succeed. Put them in positions to use their strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kclaboy504 View Post
    Actually I'm not one of those fans. Vasquez shouldn't of been in the position to take the game winning shot when rivers/roberts have been hitting their 3s tonight. Period
    Vasquez has hit big threes plenty of times in the past. Monty did right he stretched the court with able 3 point shooters.

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    Monty just said they were trying to get that last play to AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsingh93 View Post
    Vasquez has hit big threes plenty of times in the past. Monty did right he stretched the court with able 3 point shooters.
    Ok,so you would rather have vasquez and ryno in that play rather than rivers/roberts and ryno in that play?? Ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    Jack puts up empty numbers. He is good for the occasional game winner, but for the most part, he folds in the clutch.
    That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet View Post
    Monty just said they were trying to get that last play to AD.
    I couldn't tell. That play looked specifically drawn up for ryno at the 3 line.

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    Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.
    I agree compared to Vasquez who is a crappy starter or backup. Jack is a solid starter if needed and very good off the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78 View Post
    Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.
    Jack has always been a good backup. Even his 10-11 season, he was a really good back up for CP3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78 View Post
    Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.
    Yeah I'm done with Greivis. Don't even want him as a backup anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nola Hornet View Post
    That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.
    jacks numbers were anything but empty. I agree with you. He did a lot of good things here on this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    I don't understand why Monty doesn't run Rivers at the point and let Roberts play off the ball. Much better fit for both their skill sets. I think Roberts actually has a place in this league as a scorer off the bench (especially as a catch-and-shoot guy), but he has to be used right.
    I agree. Rivers needs to run the point more on this team. The other guards aren't worth a flip.

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    AD was posted up at the elbow. Just couldnt get him the ball. The play was for him so says Monty. Give your franchise player the chance to win it / tie it. I am ok with that. Not enough movement though. Play felt stagnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD23forMVP View Post
    Yeah I'm done with Greivis. Don't even want him as a backup anymore.
    I agree. Too erratic offensively. Horrendous defensively.

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    Pelicans (5-15) vs Thunder (17-4) 12/12/12

    Quote Originally Posted by kclaboy504 View Post
    Ok,so you would rather have vasquez and ryno in that play rather than rivers/roberts and ryno in that play?? Ok
    I'm not sure what your trying to say. Two of Rivers threes came from slow rotations in the defense giving him an uncontested look and same goes for Roberts and Vasquez. Just because they were hitting them then doesn't mean they'd wet it for the final shot being heavily contested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet View Post
    AD was posted up at the elbow. Just couldnt get him the ball. The play was for him so says Monty. Give your franchise player the chance to win it / tie it. I am ok with that. Not enough movement though. Play felt stagnant.
    looked like ad was on the the other side of the basket tho. Opposite side of the play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsingh93 View Post
    I'm not sure what your trying to say. Two of Rivers threes came from slow rotations in the defense giving him an uncontested look and same goes for Roberts and Vasquez. Just because they were hitting them then doesn't mean they'd wet it for the final shot being heavily contested.
    I am just asking a question. Would u rather vasquez involved in that play,or rivers/roberts?

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    Pelicans (5-15) vs Thunder (17-4) 12/12/12

    Quote Originally Posted by kclaboy504 View Post
    I am just asking a question. Would u rather vasquez involved in that play,or rivers/roberts?
    Rivers and Roberts were playing better in that game but in that situation you have to get the ball to whoever is open, Vasquez was and he took the shot. If it was a play drawn up for Roberts and he missed it people would be complaining wondering why we drew up a play for a rookie ball hogging PG. either way it's a lose lose, literally and figuratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsingh93 View Post
    Rivers and Roberts were playing better in that game but in that situation you have to get the ball to whoever is open, Vasquez was and he took the shot. If it was a play drawn up for Roberts and he missed it people would be complaining wondering why we drew up a play for a rookie ball hogging PG. either way it's a lose lose, literally and figuratively.
    I hear ya. I was just stating that vasquez shouldn't of been in that position to take the shot in the 1st place. just my opinion tho. not a big deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78 View Post
    I agree compared to Vasquez who is a crappy starter or backup. Jack is a solid starter if needed and very good off the bench.
    This team would still be 5-16 with Jack! Yall are losing your damn minds behind these losses. My how we forget things! Monty had a time last year trying to figure out who to start between the both of them. Jack is a better scorer and quicker with his feet, but Vasquez has better court vision and gets his teammates more involved. If we could combine the two, we'd be set at pg!

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    Whatever the reason, Vasquez needs to play better. We're 7 games into the month and shooting 33% from the field this month is not going to cut it. He's doing a poor job of getting to the line. He needs to do a better job of looking for Davis.

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    Vasquez needs to come off the bench
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