I really have a hard time understanding all the hatin and displeasure with vasquez. I think u guys are expecting way too much of him too soon based on watching cp3 for many years. Seriously i think we are all spoiled and set the bar way too high on this kid. He has the been the only bright spot on this hornets team this year besides ad which i think is an absolute superstar but thats for another thread. I mean this kid is 4th in assist but he is 20th in assist/turnover ratio but u guys have to remember that based on the circumstances this year that hes had to deal with that is pretty dam good. Even tho he is 20th in a/to ratio like i said on another thread there are 30 nba teams so his numbers def. solidify him as a starting pg in the nba. You really have to consider all things this year when judging this kids play. I mean for most of the season thus far he has been running pretty much a d league team out there on most nights. I really believe once we get a healthy ad and eg in the lineup ( as hard as that seems to be) he will cut down on the turnovers and there will not be as much pressure on him to do it all because right now and as of lately this kid has been the go to guy when points are needed and hes not that guy (even tho he has done pretty good at it imo). Yea he is a little slower but once we upgrade at the sg and sf position assuming we do then that will help a lot on the defensive side of the ball. this kid has the passion,the fight that I love to see in my starting pg. I'll go as far as to say he has a little bit of a clutch gene in his body as well. We all need to wait until the end of next season to really judge and guage where this kid fits on an nba roster because this season thus far he has been dealt a pretty bad hand but yet still ranks in the top half of pg's in the nba. I dont think anyone can name 29 other pg's in the nba that you would rather have as your starting pg. I really believe we can win and contend with this kid as our starting pg now and in the future. Ok I'll end this long rant now lol..I just wanted to really state my case for gv as our guy cause I dont think he is getting a fairshake as of now with a lot of people on this board. Geaux hornets win lose or draw baby!!!
People have to stop calling criticism "hate". It is getting old at this point.
The majority of people see Vasquez as an elite backup PG, but not a starter on a contender. He is not up to par with the Westbrook's, the CP3's, the Rose's, the Rondo's, the Parker's, heck even the Mike Conley's of this league. There is no way around it. That is not hate, it is fact.
It is not about naming 29 point guards who are better. It is about naming 15-18. If Vasquez is #19 (which would be generous IMO), then he is by definition below average. I dont get why people dont understand this concept yet.
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elite backup... but he is just too slow to be a starting PG on a competitive team.. no way around it.
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oh yeah, make sure you get all the other positions above average also.
Sure, you can always spend enough money to get all the positions on the team to be good.
The reality is we spend nearly 15 million on a guy on the bench. Why not think of trading him or blame Dell about it?
Also people think they can trade Vasquez, for he has high value and low cost right now. But remember, you simply lose money if you don't get a good value back.
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This preseason I made a list of the starting PGs in the NBA. I had Vasquez 30th. I would probably put him a few spots higher now, but not that many. I really like him a lot, but I know his limitations.
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B: I added two more to the list and that's now 20 (w/o even giving the topic serious time or thought).
C: If you don't think Nash, Curry, or Lowry are better PGs than Vasquez, then your homerism is plain embarrassing. I can understand if you don't buy Lin, however. He can be a bit polarizing, and for good reason (inconsistent).
I think salary should defiantly be taken into consideration when you are trying to compare players of similar positions. People want to say he isnt a good pg or isnt a starting pg. Well he isn't getting paid like a good or starting pg either.
This is especially true given the fact that Vasquez is still on the last years of his rookie contract.
Last edited by PelsFan2313; 12-03-2012 at 02:24 PM.
And unfortunately I have other obligations at the moment (exam tomorrow), so I can't do that at the moment.
Lastly, using a sample size of roughly 15 games to rank several players is completely illogical. This especially holds weight when players like Miller (15th season) are in the discussion. He's been consistently excellent for a long period of time. Vasquez, on the other hand, has put up solid "career numbers" for 25% of the 2012-13 regular season.
Vasquez is an elite PG off the bench. Nothing more, nothing less. I love Grevis, but he's not our future. Almost anyone can see that. I wish you were right. But, you're not.
Last edited by PelsFan2313; 12-03-2012 at 02:25 PM.
And it has to do if they are better for their team or not. I will take 5 less ppg 1 or 2 less apg 1 more TO per game if we save 10 million. That money next year will allow us to either upgrade that position or spend the money on a good free agent. Something a team like the clippers will not have the luxury of doing especially with the new lux tax rules coming.
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