First I'll start by saying that I am aware we have a new owner, and a new GM. I am VERY hopeful that we have an entirely new scouting department as well. Since 2005 (CP3) the Hornets have got to be one of the worst drafting teams in the league. Let's hope that this years score is a great sign of things to come.
Rd1 Hilton Armstrong
Rd1 Cedric Simmons
Rd2 Marcus Viniciuos
Are any of these guys still in the league? Honestly, this might be one of the worst drafts of all time? Hilton gave us maybe 30 good minutes ----- in his entire career. I know we traded Simmons for Wesley, but I am just looking at the player selection and scouting ability.
Rd1 Julian Wright
Rd2 Adam Haluska
Wright was a poor choice. Adam (who the hell are ya?) . Just messing with his name, 2nd rounders are not expected to produce. If you get a good one, fantastic, if you don't oh well
Rd1 Darrell Arthur
Traded for cash?? We took our entire draft and traded it for cash?
Rd1 Darren Collison
Collison is a good one. This is the first decent pick we made since CP3 IMO. He will continue to get better and should have a nice long career. Honestly, we could really use him on the team now. His speed with our young horses?
Rd1 Cole Aldrich
Instantly traded, for Q. Pon and some cash maybe? But as far as player selection. He has done nothing. He will probably be out of the league in another year. Q. Pon never did anything for us as well.
Rd2 Josh Harrellson
So, that is 5 years of drafts after CP3, and only 1 good pick - Collison. That is a pretty bad track record. Now, Demps did not have a lot to work with in 2011 so I'll give him a pass. It appears we had a FANTASTIC draft in 2012. Honestly, I believe that Miller is going to end up being a really good player for us. Love his BBall IQ and he is nailing open jumpers. You don't need to be an elite athlete to be successful, as long as the smarts and intangibles are there.
Has the scouting department been revamped? Who has final say in the draft process? How are we feeling about our future drafting abilities? The NBA isn't like the NFL where you MUST build through the draft, but it is still a very important part of a franchises continued success.
I disagree about 2012. I think it's obvious that both Davis and Rivers are going to be major busts. And Miller is doomed from the start. That's just me, though.
"Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal."- Demetri Martin
Left out Thornton.
Left out Craig Brackins who was included in the trade for Jason Smith.
Emeka Okafor - Joe Smith - Carmelo Anthony - Manu Ginobili - Jason Williams
Al Jefferson - James Posey - Aaron McKie - Shaun Livingston
Aldrich was traded to get rid of Morris Peterson. We got Pondexter, who we traded for Vasquez. We acquired our backup PG AND got rid of Morris Peterson's contract with that pick. That is far more value than Cole Aldrich has provided to this point (and look at my avatar--I love Cole Aldrich).
Josh Harrellson was traded for cash that we used to buy out Gustavo Ayon and bring him to the states. Ayon gave us a great year, and then allowed us to acquire Ryan Anderson, one of the most underrated big men in the league and a critical piece of our core.
Think of the draft like playing chess--you have to look several moves ahead in order to understand Dell. These draft decisions were made for financial reasons, and those good financial choices directly allowed us to obtain a great (backup) PG and a sixth man of the year favorite. Not a bad yield for a late lottery and second round pick.
Edit: Totally forgot about getting Brackins, and consequently Jason Smith, as part of the Aldrich trade.
Listen, I don't think Dell is infallible. I understand why people point to the almost Lakers trade and Gordon's free agency as negatives. However, Dell has been GREAT in using his draft picks. I just don't see how you can criticize his draft-related moves--ALL of them have been great moves in the end.
Last edited by greewe; 11-02-2012 at 09:45 AM.
Is this "analysis" supposed to only rate what the did for the hornets and not what they netted?
"I don't know if people know — I dislocated my pinkie finger. And [Tyreke] told me, 'You wanna go home or you wanna be here?' I want to be here. And he said, 'All right, then go tape it up and let's play. Let's go. We not stoppin' at no stores. Straight gas. That's what we do, just keep going.'"
I left out Thornton because we did not draft him.
Again, not questioning Demps ability to shift pieces, moreover trying to focus on the actual player selection. Aldrich was a high first rounder that we traded to dump a contract for a lower first rounder that we then traded for another low 1st rounder? We could have just traded back in the draft to dump Peterson's expiring and ended up with Bledsoe 8 picks later, and would probably be in a better situation.
1. Try to keep chris Paul and build a team around him. Failure
I don't blame this on Dell. The CP3 situation was brewing well before he got here.
2. Get a good deal for Paul. Wash
I'll give him a wash bc he was going to take a deal that was worse than this one until Stern ultimately veto'd it and we ended up getting some expiring contracts, a hurt player, a player with an extremely low floor and an extremely high ceiling.
3. Begin Rebuilding After the Paul Trade. Pass- So Far
Dell has rid himself of terrible contracts (Outside of Gordon at this point). Gotten what seems to be a good draft and has space to go after guys in FA. We also signed Ryan Anderson, have some guys that would make EXCELLENT bench players with a strong starting cast (Vasquez, Miller, Smith, Anderson).
You really can't say "Dell didn't know on draft night that we would eventually get Vasquez, so I'm going to call it a bad pick." He knew he would get SOMETHING good out of it, and in the end, that was true.
There is data (too lazy to find it right now) on ESPN that has measured teams draft picks relative to expected wins a player at that position would produce and the Hornets rank 8th according to that metric since 2002.
Fans of teams remember with superhuman accuracy how well or poorly their teams do, but they sometimes fail to broaden their view and realize every team has a ton of busts, so while you feel your team does a poor job of drafting, they might not relative to the entire league.
That's fine- point out all the Hornets busts, but then look around the league and find the teams without worst picks. Even better, go find out how many teams have drafted as well outside of the lottery as the Hornets (Collison, Thornton, Bass, West, Miller) and you will see that while you are frustrated with the misses, there are fan bases who would die to have the Hornets track record
I was so upset that we traded Collison and mostly Marcus Thornton. It was pretty obvious that cp3 would leave sooner or later. They could have formed part of our future now.
The Hornets have been drafting bums every season, hope this one IS finally the "Year", and we start having a bright future.
I am still searching for answers to my post however, I am not challenging Demps' ability to draft players or manage players/contracts. I am trying to see if the hornets have revamped their scouting department. I am hoping that whomever has been "director of scouting" or whatever it would be called has been upgraded.
Again, only wanted to focus on our ability to scout / draft talent. I am not criticizing Demps or his abilities as a GM to manage the cap and get great value in trades.
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