Every one of these good teams has a small life cycle before they reset. Just because a couple of people chose to start by resetting and building from the ground up doesn't mean the GMs who are trying to win now should be crippled. the fact is, I think teams should be crippled for trying to purposly tank and ruining the integritity of the league. teams that don't make the playoffs once in 3 years should be penalized. And while we're at it if we're going to do anything regarding this salary cap issue, i think we SHOULD REWARD teams that make the playoffs under the cap, not penalize the ones over it and are still sucessful. Give 3 points to a team that makes the playoffs under the cap instead of 1 and put it to rest.
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The only thing I worry about which is what I posted as the third post of the thread which has gotten no response so far. Is a team 10 - 20 million over the cap having bird rights to a superstar that puts them way over the cap with a long term deal, someone is going to be upset not matter what is decided. I think the difficulties in signing FA's and making trades for teams over the cap is punishment enough. But if the stars align and a team has a superstar's contract come up at the right time and they use bird rights that puts them something at like 30 mill over the cap is the only time I'll have an issue.
What I can't understand is people say that everyone has the option to go over the cap. I admit that I'm not a cap guru so I guess I need some help understanding this. How can my team go over the cap (currently about 2 mill under)? I can't take back more salary in a trade that puts me over the cap bc the trade would be illegal. Maybe if I draft a player high in the draft and he makes a high salary, but I thought players get paid based on where they were drafted. So If i was concerned about going over the cap for that pick I would have the option to trade it or draft a player and pay the penalty(if there was one). I can sign FA with my cap space but can't go over the amount of cap room I have to my knowledge. What am I missing? There has to be something?
As of now, if you are over the cap then there is nothing that penalizes you for being over and making moves to stay over. So a team over the cap can still trade big contracts for big contracts and stay over. You can still sign FA's on exceptions for more money than I can offer and I'm under the cap. Just seems to me like once you are way over with good players then you actually have more options than teams that are stuck in mediocrity or rebuilding. I guess I just don't understand things well enough and am looking for someone to explain it well enough for me to say "OK" NO penalty makes sense. But that's how I see things as of now in the league. And I do think a good penalty balances out the league more overall. Just my opinion tho. Not *****ing bc I am under and you are over. I'm all about what's best for all teams in the league.
PrepP if you are over the cap and want to make a trade you must make the salaries match within a 100k or so, which can be very difficult.
Last edited by PrepP; 08-28-2012 at 09:26 PM.
There needs to be a system in place to keep teams from paying fake fake 16 million just so they can use his contract for trade purposes while maintaining 100 million plus payrolls
Last edited by PrepP; 08-28-2012 at 09:20 PM.
Alright how about this. Teams 30M over the cap lose the ability to collect points they earned via player game achievements, and they lose the ability to receive points in a trade.
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Why is there no penalty till you are 30 mill over? How can teams under the cap go over? How about some kind of trade restrictions and a penalty? There are a lot of questions.
CP3, I'm sorry for causing all this and being hard headed on the issue. Just thought it was a issue with the league but I seem to be in the minority bc no other "pro penalty" teams are coming forward. I may be in the minority and opening myself up for a lot of criticism from other GM's but I still think teams over the cap have more options than teams under and if we do a penalty it should be pretty strict. I also feel that if there is a cap penalty that it should be just that......... any team over the cap. Not just when you get $30 mill or more over.
I can feel the other GM's getting their pitchforks ready.
Last edited by PrepP; 08-28-2012 at 09:39 PM.
The only reason why I'm over the cap is because I tried to build a team in the fantasy draft that was going to compete and I didn't know what anyones salary was going to look like in the later rounds so I was like "screw it" once I saw how much some of their salaries were. Once your over the cap it's not that easy to get under or worth it at times. Next season I will def be under and still have a competive team.
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Are tiered penalties an option? How about 0-10 mil over you have to deal with only using LLE, MLE in FA and difficulties trading (current rule), 20 mil over no points earned for players in game achievements, 30 mil over no points via trade plus no points for team achievements. As in once your 30 mil over you basically earn zero points.
Honestly, there wasn't any kind of luxury tax until 2005. Teams routinely went over the cap before then without paying a penatly. Maybe a penalty shouldn't be in place until the 2005 season. Unless I'm wrong about the year. But I'm ok with a penalty when a team is over the cap by a certain amount and it should only involve points, but this shouldn't take place until the year when the luxury tax came into play. Also, the penalty shouldn't start when a team is just over the cap because that's not how the luxury tax works.
Basically, if the luxury tax didn't come into play until 2005, then we shouldn't penalize teams until then. And the penalty should be based on how the real luxury tax works. This is a NBA sim league and we should try to operate that way as best as we can.
I'll be honest, I was only a couple of million over the cap last season and I won 47 games and finished 3rd in the west. It can be done. But also, its also hard to blame GMs here for drafting guys who made the team highly over the cap. That doesn't seem fair at all. Everyone was trying to draft the best player regardless of possible salary. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
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Al Jefferson - James Posey - Aaron McKie - Shaun Livingston
What about teams that no longer have any of the players they originally drafted and are still way over the cap? They aren't penalized.
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