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Thread: [Official - trade complete] Hornets Trying to Land RFA Lopez from the Suns {merged}

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolagoblue View Post
    Trade 1 is the exact trade I was thinking of. Problem is, I don't think we can sign Landry for that much anymore.
    That's not the biggest problem IMO. I'm pretty sure the Twolves need more salary for it to work. If it was not the case we would already have done the same trade without the Landry+Warrick for Diop swap. There is a reason why Miller was supposed to go to Mine and not the Suns.

    I don't see the second trade happening either. Charlotte will never give a 1st for Landry even if they give a bad contract with it. They are in reconstructing mode they won't trade their 1sts for anyone that is not supposed to be part of their long term plan.
    Even if they would we would not have needed the bobcats in the first place (just as before) if the terms were good with other teams.

    And yeah, we can't sign Landry the kind of deal he can accept in the first place unless we waive Miller 1st (and then Miller disappear as a trading chip).

    The most likely IMO is : we waive Miller then :

    We get : Lopez and Warrick
    Phx gets : Johnson and Mine 1st
    Mine gets : Reggie Williams + dyson and 2 2nd
    Charlotte gets : Landry

    Now everyone would have needed everyone and it looks better salary wise ...

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    There'll be no resolution on the Lopez/Warrick trade today but the 3-way deal's chances have improved. The hang-up isn't NO's cap situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvis View Post
    That's not the biggest problem IMO. I'm pretty sure the Twolves need more salary for it to work. If it was not the case we would already have done the same trade without the Landry+Warrick for Diop swap. There is a reason why Miller was supposed to go to Mine and not the Suns.

    I don't see the second trade happening either. Charlotte will never give a 1st for Landry even if they give a bad contract with it. They are in reconstructing mode they won't trade their 1sts for anyone that is not supposed to be part of their long term plan.
    Even if they would we would not have needed the bobcats in the first place (just as before) if the terms were good with other teams.

    And yeah, we can't sign Landry the kind of deal he can accept in the first place unless we waive Miller 1st (and then Miller disappear as a trading chip).

    The most likely IMO is : we waive Miller then :

    We get : Lopez and Warrick
    Phx gets : Johnson and Mine 1st
    Mine gets : Reggie Williams + dyson and 2 2nd
    Charlotte gets : Landry

    Now everyone would have needed everyone and it looks better salary wise ...
    Pretty sure we still have the same problem with your trade that we do now. The reason it won't go through is because we aren't sending out enough salary, and waiving Miller won't give us enough room to sign Landry for more than Miller's 5.1 (I think), so I don't think that trade happens either. I could b wrong though

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    If we have to add X to the deal so we can get Reggie Willams. He would be perfect off the bench for Aminu. His contract is expiring also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunnyB View Post
    Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro
    There'll be no resolution on the Lopez/Warrick trade today but the 3-way deal's chances have improved. The hang-up isn't NO's cap situation.
    What could possibly be the problem if it isn't our cap? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny6420 View Post
    I just one to get this done
    This!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow View Post
    What could possibly be the problem if it isn't our cap? Lol
    He's a Suns beat writer and he may have his ear to the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunnyB View Post
    He's a Suns beat writer and he may have his ear to the wall.
    Not saying I don't trust the source, just have no idea what could be the holdup if it's not our cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow View Post
    Not saying I don't trust the source, just have no idea what could be the holdup if it's not our cap.
    I hear ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow View Post
    Not saying I don't trust the source, just have no idea what could be the holdup if it's not our cap.
    maybe both teams are trying to find ways to make the Hornets even better!

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    Im not even typing english anymore, but yeah, im sorry, I meant to say "I just want this to be done",

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    It's the entire situation: Miller's deal not being aggregated goes away in time. Phoenix can not insist on Warrick being sent.. it's not our cap situation. It's the structure of the contracts, trade rules, and needs of the parties.
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    Why aren't Minnesota guys 'contributing'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42 View Post
    Why aren't Minnesota guys 'contributing'?
    Now that you mention it. I'm wondering if we are maybe tying to squeeze more out of Minny. They signed ak-47 thinking the deal was done. Maybe Rubio? Haha

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    If we can get Lopez to say he wants to come here and won't okay there... We can maybe get Johnson out of the deal and they can just have the first and X. Karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42 View Post
    Why aren't Minnesota guys 'contributing'?
    I wouldn't really want to talk about it if I were them either. It seems like they are trading a first to unload a guy they had high hopes for just a few years ago and the right to two 2nd rounders they just gave us. I mean they are getting AK47, but I don't like it at all for them.
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    According to my figures, this is how our New Orleans Hornets salary cap breaks down: (NBA soft cap $58,044,000.00)

    SG - Eric Gordon: $13,668,750.00
    PF - Reshard Lewis: $13,405,007 ($13,700,000.00 - $294,993.00 cap credit from Heat signing)
    PF - Ryan Anderson $8,700,000.00
    PF - Anthony Davis: $5,144,280.00
    C - Brad Miller: $5,104,000.00 ($848,000.00 buy-out option until 7/31/12)
    SF - Al-Farouq Aminu: $2,947,800.00
    C - Jason Smith: $2,500,000.00
    SG - Xavier Henry: $2,323,200.00
    PG - Austin Rivers: $2,238,360.00
    PG - Greivis Vasquez: $1,191,240.00
    PG - Jerome Dyson: $762,195.00
    PF - Lance Thomas: $762,195.00
    SF - Darius Miller: $473,604.00

    TOTAL HORNETS CAP: $59,220,631.00
    Last edited by MarcNOLA; 07-26-2012 at 09:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolaslim213 View Post
    Trade 1

    We get: Lopez and Diop

    PHO gets: Miller, Johnson, and a Minny 1st round pick

    MIN gets: Dyson + two 2nd round picks

    CHA gets: Landry and Warrick


    That all works salary wise, assuming Lopez is signed at $5 million, and Landry is signed at $5-6 million.


    Trade 2

    We get: Lopez, Warrick, and Diop + a conditional 1st round pick from Charlotte + the Minny 1st round pick

    PHO gets: Miller, Johnson, and Xavier Henry

    MIN gets: Dyson + two 2nd round picks

    CHA gets: Landry


    We take on all the salary, we get all the picks.
    Still aggregating Miller with other players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcNOLA View Post
    According to my figures, this is how our New Orleans Hornets salary cap breaks down: (NBA soft cap $58,044,000.00)

    SG - Eric Gordon: $13,668,750.00
    PF - Reshard Lewis: $13,405,007 ($13,700,000.00 - $294,993.00 cap credit from Heat signing)
    PF - Ryan Anderson $8,700,000.00
    PF - Anthony Davis: $5,144,280.00
    C - Brad Miller: $5,104,000.00 ($848,000.00 buy-out option until 7/31/12)
    SF - Al-Farouq Aminu: $2,947,800.00
    C - Jason Smith: $2,500,000.00
    SG - Xavier Henry: $2,323,200.00
    PG - Austin Rivers: $2,238,360.00
    PG - Greivis Vasquez: $1,191,240.00
    PG - Jerome Dyson: $762,195.00
    PF - Lance Thomas: $762,195.00
    SF - Darius Miller: $473,604.00

    TOTAL HORNETS CAP: $59,220,631.00
    Not that nola.com is accurate, but they did not have Rivers getting the 20% kicker on rookie contract (which would put him around $1.865 million).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN View Post
    Not that nola.com is accurate, but they did not have Rivers getting the 20% kicker on rookie contract (which would put him around $1.865 million).
    Just going by what is being reported. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/07/h...in-rivers.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcNOLA View Post
    Just going by what is being reported. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/07/h...in-rivers.html
    Not sure which is right (as this just says "figure to recieve").

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    Quote Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN View Post
    Not sure which is right (as this just says "figure to recieve").
    I've been assuming the 120% number because I can't think of a pick who hasn't received that (Memphis considering not giving received press a couple of years ago). I do not think it matters in our current case anyway, but I'll keep that little bit in mind in case things are close . . . a similar amoung is keeping the Suns from being able to just keep Warrick without waiving or sending their guy out.

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