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Pure speculation - It almost sounds as if we had a deal everyone was fine with and then Lopez wanted more $$$ . As such, we tried to include Dyson to Minny to allow for us to take on more salary (about another $1 million or so) to get Lopez a higher salary. Minny could then just cut Dyson as he is not guaranteed. However, doing so caused us to fall into the aggregation issue and botch the negotiations. So now, I wonder if our only option is to get Lopez to agree to less or get Phoenix to agree to keep Warrick (by sending them cash to help in a buyout).
Can't we just sign Lopez to a RFA offer sheet? Think the Suns would match just out of spite?
1. would trading x make the deal work?
2. when does miller's contract count as 900k and not 5.1 million? so confused on this one
Kinda surprising that 3 GMs would get this far in trade negotiations then just realize Miller can't be traded in a package..
Suns get: Brad Miller, Wesly Johnson, Xavier Henry, Mem first
Hornets get: Robin Lopez, Hakeem Warrick, Minimum salary player X(from Suns), cash
TWolves get: Dyson, #2(from Hornets), #2(from Phoenix)
One is: Brad Miller for Robin Lopez($5 million for $5 million)
Second trade has:
the Hornets trading Xavier, Dyson, #2($3 Million out) for Warrick ($4 million in) and minimum player that doesn't matter in comparison
Suns trade Warrick, #2 and Minimum player($5 million out) for Johnson, #1 and Xavier($6.5 in)........They are under and could just take back $6.5 without trading minimum player anyway
Wolves trade Johnson and #1 for Dyson and 2 #2's.
Long story long, if we give up Xavier and keep a second, and Phoenix takes him and throws in a second, this trade is easy.
We aren't giving up **** for Lopez. He is an RFA. The Suns shouldn't even get anything in return for him except for an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick. That is how these things work. Miller and Dyson is perfect. They will find a way to get it done.
Lopez. Or, now that we have shown our hand, some other team could come in who may have had passing interest in Lopez and get it done. They can get the Matthews deal with Minny done without us and once Minny has cleared cap space for AK47, we are irrelevant.
We are in this situation because of the reason many people on here stated a few weeks ago. Dell should have made a move for a center BEFORE we matched Gordon! We had the cap space and we could have used exemptions on Gordon if needs. Now we are against the cap and still without a center. And according to that link, send X out in the deal would void us of a backup 2. Which means we would now be over the cap and still have to fill the roster. This is not looking good! Dell has to fix this ASAP! He can't wait for the season to start.
Suns have been shopping Lopez for a while now, and every NBA GM pretty much knows the value of every player available, so I doubt someone else swoops in. Besides, both sides already agreed on the deal. Now, it's just a matter of making it fit the NBA's parameters.
Also, are you sure they can do the trade outright? If that's the case, it makes no sense to have to include Warrick. You have to remember that Dragic and Beasley aren't on the payroll yet, but they both signed big deals which would put them close to the cap. I think if they could do the Johnson trade outright, they would either have to renounce Lopez's rights, or they wouldn't be able to do it at all, which is why we formed the 3-team trade in the 1st place.
Last edited by nolaslim213; 07-26-2012 at 11:12 AM.
Whether we get Lopez or not doesn't change a whole lot IMO. I think some were expecting way too much of Robin. He would have been added depth and anything else would have been welcomed but not expected.
Lopez similarly increases the Hornets odds of beating teams with imposing bigs. On his own Lopez may not be a game changer, but because the Hornets have no one else like him on their roster he may well help them beat teams like the Grizzlies and Lakers more often than they otherwise would have, which could be the difference in making the playoffs as tight as the race for the last spots have been recently.
I wanted Lopez but don't want to give up another young guy to make this work (definitely not Aminu and not even Henry).
If we can't land Lopez, I'm still in the boat of finding a serviceable-if-barely-average center (or 2) for a year and then picking up a better long-term option next year.
But above all... "I have blind faith in Demps"
I'd give up Henry in a heart beat. He has no future with this team.
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just send Xavier Henry with Brad Miller in the deal to Phoenix
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