Suns fan here.
I guarantee the Suns will not for a moment consider trading Gortat or a totally unprotected pick for Gordon. There is not the slightest chance in hell that either of those pieces will be on the table.
So, reign in those expectations a bit. IMO, the Suns would be giving up too much if they included more than 2 picks AND Marshall. That is the most I could see being surrendered... outside of throw in guys like a resigned Lopez or Brown... either of which could be had.
Personally, I'd be fine if the Hornets matched. Both teams are looking at huge risks in this exchange, the Hornets with a disgruntled max contract and injury prone player, and the Suns potentially giving up a couple picks for an extremely injury prone player who has never proven himself a difference maker.
I assumed before this started that the Hornets would match any offer, but Gordon is doing his best to obliterate any value the Hornets might be able to get for him down the road and putting NO in a position to have their highest paid player booed all season long.
Either the Hornets are going to accept a s/t and get awful value in exchange or they are going to roll the dice on an unhappy player on a huge contract. I see no other way this plays out.
By the way, Gordon already said that he'd play for us if we match, so you aren't going to get him for anything less than top dollar. Dell doesn't do discounts.
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the thing is, your dealing with big daddy Demps who doesn't take **** from anyone.. you sound just like the clippers fans who said, 1. your not getting gordon, 2. your not getting the pick... Demps got both
so basically whats gonna happen is were keeping gordon, or were taking gortat, unprotected pick, and brown (not including marshall because i don't like him)
Last edited by bojangles837; 07-07-2012 at 11:54 PM.
Sarver is a ****ing moron and you blew at least two titles because he was cheap.
These situations have happened before, teams dont get full value when shipping off disgruntled restricted free agents. The Suns are not going to part with major assets, to a team who can ONLY negotiate with them, for a guy they are already looking at giving a full max contract to.
Like I said, I expected him to remain a Hornet regardless, but he is taking a sledge hammer to his trade value right now and the Hornets have to seriously question if they could move him down the road.
That's funny to me. Suns fans expecting us to just give up a player who will easily be the future of their franchise, for completely unproven/untested scraps, as if they hold the cards and they're entitled to Gordon for almost nothing. No. We're not going to give up Gordon for a package that doesn't include a single piece who has played a second of NBA basketball.
Worst case is you're stuck with him and have to move him, but the prospects of moving him will be very grim, especially if he has another injury plagued season, which is likely. If the Hornets match there is a good chance they are stuck with him for 4 years, which is fine with me.
And no, the Suns wont "cave to demands" because the Hornets are in an awful negotiating position and the Suns already did a big risk even offering Gordon this contract.
Also, what's your take on Morris? Seems like he's incredibly overrated on here. I don't want him. Dude had the lowest rating on the entire team according to 82games.com. That site's stats are pretty much my go to for evaluating these kinds of things. It's better than per, Hollinger's stuff, etc. They are usually spot on.
I'd much prefer Dudley than Morris in any trade. And wtf were you guys thinking signing Beasley? Talk about a black hole of empty numbers. That dude is like a homeless man's Carmello Anthony or Glenn Robinson. Maybe like a rich man's Lee Nailon. Absolute empty stats, no D playing, loser.
I do like Dragic but why the **** did ya'll trade him to Houston to begin with after he played such a big role in finally beating San Antonio that one year? I don't get the Suns F.O. at all. So much wasted potential in the Nash/Stoudemire/Marion/Johnson years.
Can we sign Gordon then trade him later on? As in this off season? If I'm wrong correct me but if I'm right I say we send him to the rockets. I don't see why not. I'm tired of these suns scrubs. They're like lakers fans trying to make players out of their crap. (which the lakers just did to them) so if I'm not mistaken that is some pretty garbage management.
This is different than the Chris Paul situation. Gordon is not under contract, New Orleans cannot negotiate with multiple suitors. Its Suns or bust, and Gordon is no where near the talent Paul is. The kinds of absurd demands being thrown around here (2 unprotected picks, Marshall and Gortat) are the packages you see for true star players who are already under contract. Its hard to think of ANY restricted free agent who brought in a haul even close to that level for his former team. Throw in how badly Gordon is trashing the Hornets franchise, his injury history and the inherent risk in the contract alone and New Orleans is not going to get even remotely the value being talked about here.
Last edited by phrazbit; 07-08-2012 at 12:13 AM.
I am just as happy to let Gordon go back to you. I cringe at the idea of giving him a max contract anyway. The idea of giving up other assets as well is just too much. Thats the point of the bidding this way. Its not getting him for free, thats for sure.
Yeah, not to pile on, but I don't get what ANY team sees in Beasley. Dude sucks big time.
Bottom line imo is that Loomis/Demps are smarter than anyone running the Suns and Gordon. Somehow, some way, we will will this situation.
Loomis imo is the wildcard here. I have no doubt we'd get raped if Shinn was still the owner. Benson's guys are not dumb. They may be new to the NBA but they know how to play hardball.
And I will admit to hating the Dragic trade... but I like bringing him back, and I utterly loath Beasley.
I'm just telling you how its going to be. The Hornets getting 1/3rd value for Gordon at this point is the most they could expect and the most any team gets in these situations. Either that or the Hornets are stuck with a disgruntled max contract player who they wont even have the option to trade for a while... and if he gets injured in the meantime (which he has done with regularity), the Hornets will be lucky to give him away.
Personally, I'd be totally fine with the Hornets matching the offer and keeping him. Signing a player with his injury history, even without a possible trade, is a huge risk.
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"always be sincere....whether you mean it or not"
hey Suns posters, can you guys tell me a little bit about Warrick. He is a guy i think would do good as a back-up big for us. I have seen some highlight dunks from him, but thats about all.
One thing you can be sure of though. With Loomis in charge, there is zero chance Gordon plays for the Suns this season, unless the Hornets come out of a sign and trade with valuable assets.
It's pretty clear the two sides (atleast fan wise) aren't going to agree on anything.
Honestly, the Suns don't impress me, asset wise. Match it and move on.
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Personally if was running the Suns I'd offer up the Lakers picks and Shannon Brown, and your pick of any of the Suns bad contracts. IMO offering up anything more is foolish and just adding risk on risk. If the Hornets match... fine, call up OJ Mayo, Lou Williams and offer them a pittance of Gordon's bloated deal.
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