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    Hornets defenders ON BALL stats

    I'm hoping this sparks huge discussion, because this is some excellent info. It is JUST on ball stats, so it does not account for how well Chris Kaman rotates or something. Or if Kobe Bryant drives by Trevor Ariza and then finishes over Kaman, those numbers are applied to Ariza since he is the one who was the original defender. I listed the players OVERALL on ball stats, which is their iso, post up, p&r man, spot up, off screen, and hand off stats all averaged out to give you the overall numbers. I don't feel like listing how every player performed while being posted up, but I could share some of that info if you want a particular player.

    PPP – Points Per Play. A play is always ended with either a shot, turnover, or free throw. PPP is the total points excluding techs, divided by their total plays.

    %SF - Percent Shooting Foul. This is the percentage when the offensive player drew a shooting foul.

    %TO – Percent Turnover. This is the percentage of plays where the offensive player turns the ball over.

    %Score – Percent Score. This is the percentage of plays where the offensive players scores atleast a single point.

    Jarrett Jack:
    PPP- 0.9
    FG%- 40.3%
    %SF- 4.3%
    %TO- 9.7%
    %Score- 39.7

    Greivis Vasquez:
    PPP- 0.8
    FG%- 36.7%
    %SF- 4.1%
    %TO- 10.2%
    %Score- 36.1%

    Jerome Dyson:
    PPP- 0.7
    FG%- 33.3%
    %SF- 5.5%
    %TO- 15.1%
    %Score- 32.9%

    Eric Gordon:
    PPP- 0.78
    FG%- 33.8%
    %SF- 6.6%
    %TO- 13.2%
    %Score- 34.1%

    Marco Belinelli:
    PPP- 0.83
    FG%- 38%
    %SF- 3.6%
    %TO- 7.8%
    %Score- 37.4%

    Xavier Henry:
    PPP- 0.94
    FG%- 40.5%
    %SF- 4.1%
    %TO- 8.9%
    %Score- 39.4%

    Trevor Ariza:
    PPP- 0.83
    FG%- 37.8%
    %SF- 4.6%
    %TO- 10.1%
    %Score- 36.3%

    Al-Farouq Aminu:
    PPP- 0.92
    FG%- 38.2%
    %SF- 4.7%
    %TO- 7.8%
    %Score- 37.8%

    Jason Smith:
    PPP- 0.77
    FG%- 33.9%
    %SF- 4.5%
    %TO- 5.2%
    %Score- 35.3%

    Carl Landry:
    PPP- 0.79
    FG%- 37.7%
    %SF- 3.8%
    %TO- 8.6%
    %Score- 36.7%

    Gustavo Ayon:
    PPP- 0.76
    FG%- 36%
    %SF- 6.3%
    %TO- 9.9%
    %Score- 36.9%

    Lance Thomas:
    PPP- 0.56
    FG%- 23.1%
    %SF- 7.8%
    %TO- 11.3%
    %Score- 27.8%

    Emeka Okafor:
    PPP- 0.9
    FG%- 46.2%
    %SF- 6.3%
    %TO- 8.1%
    %Score- 44.4%

    Chris Kaman:
    PPP- 0.82
    FG%- 40.8%
    %SF- 3.2%
    %TO- 7.2%
    %Score- 39.9%

    Daryl Watkins:
    PPP- 1
    FG%- 56.3%
    %SF- 0.0%
    %TO- 15.8%
    %Score- 47.4%
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    Can you give us perspective or reference some others. I can read stats, but I would like to compare to some the entire league recognizes as good defenders. Trying to remove my bias goggles.

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    Anyone in particular?

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    I'm not surprised by these numbers with the exception of Aminu.

    Emeka Okafor - Joe Smith - Carmelo Anthony - Manu Ginobili - Jason Williams

    Al Jefferson - James Posey - Aaron McKie - Shaun Livingston

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    Benchmarks would be excellent to be able to understand the data.

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    Ie Highest Marks, Lowest marks and agerage by position.

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    I haven't been able to find averages but if you have a particular guy in mind so you can compare just say so.

    I am surprised Jacks numbers are what they are though. It's really him and X as our worst two defenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CP3forMVP View Post
    I haven't been able to find averages but if you have a particular guy in mind so you can compare just say so.

    I am surprised Jacks numbers are what they are though. It's really him and X as our worst two defenders.
    I'm not. He's always been bad defensively.

    I think you mean on-the-ball defense.

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    Let's Make assumptions here that these guys are the best defenders at their positions

    PG
    Rondo
    Kidd
    Chris Paul

    Wings
    Igudola
    LBJ
    Ronnie Brewer
    D Wade
    Kobe

    Big men
    Garnett
    Dwight Howard
    Tyson Chandler

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    Add Bynum to the center list.

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    I had him but made a last minute subtraction!

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    Rondo:
    PPP- 0.75
    FG%- 35.2%
    %SF- 4.2%
    %TO- 13%
    %Score- 34%

    Kidd:
    PPP- 0.83
    FG%- 38.5%
    %SF- 3.6%
    %TO- 11.8%
    %Score- 36.5%

    Chris Paul:
    PPP- 0.8
    FG%- 38.4%
    %SF- 3.7%
    %TO- 15%
    %Score- 35.2%

    Igudola:
    PPP- 0.76
    FG%- 37.4%
    %SF- 5.5%
    %TO- 13.1%
    %Score- 35.9%

    LBJ:
    PPP- 0.8
    FG%- 37.3%
    %SF- 4.1%
    %TO- 12.3%
    %Score- 34.8%

    Ronnie Brewer:
    PPP- 0.81
    FG%- 37.5%
    %SF- 4.4%
    %TO- 10.8%
    %Score- 36.6%

    D Wade:
    PPP- 0.78
    FG%- 35.4%
    %SF- 5.3%
    %TO- 9.9%
    %Score- 35.2%

    Kobe:
    PPP- 0.82
    FG%- 35.7%
    %SF- 4.3%
    %TO- 8.7%
    %Score- 35.8%

    Garnett:
    PPP- 0.74
    FG%- 36.8%
    %SF- 5.9%
    %TO- 10.6%
    %Score- 36.8%

    Dwight Howard:
    PPP- 0.75
    FG%- 37.3%
    %SF- 6.9%
    %TO- 8.5%
    %Score- 38.9%

    Tyson Chandler:
    PPP- 0.8
    FG%- 40.7%
    %SF- 4.3%
    %TO- 10.8%
    %Score- 38.7%

    Andrew Bynum:
    PPP- 0.77
    FG%- 38%
    %SF- 4.3%
    %TO- 6.4%
    %Score- 37.4%

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    Gordon / Wade:
    PPP- 0.78 / 0.78
    FG%- 33.8% / 35.4%
    %SF- 6.6% / 5.3%
    %TO- 13.2% / 9.9%
    %Score- 34.1% / 35.2%

    Isolation:
    PPP- 0.42 / 0.49
    FG%- 12.5% / 24.6%
    %SF- 8.3% / 4%
    %TO- 16.7% / 13.3%
    %Score- 16.7% / 25.3%

    Wade's defense against the p&r is better though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CP3forMVP View Post
    Gordon / Wade:
    PPP- 0.78 / 0.78
    FG%- 33.8% / 35.4%
    %SF- 6.6% / 5.3%
    %TO- 13.2% / 9.9%
    %Score- 34.1% / 35.2%

    Isolation:
    PPP- 0.42 / 0.49
    FG%- 12.5% / 24.6%
    %SF- 8.3% / 4%
    %TO- 16.7% / 13.3%
    %Score- 16.7% / 25.3%

    Wade's defense against the p&r is better though.
    Where does Gordon struggle defensively since his total defensive ratings are never that good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    Let's Make assumptions here that these guys are the best defenders at their positions

    PG
    Rondo
    Kidd
    Chris Paul

    Wings
    Igudola
    LBJ
    Ronnie Brewer
    D Wade
    Kobe

    Big men
    Garnett
    Dwight Howard
    Tyson Chandler
    I don't think that would really give a good idea of what you want, though you did have some excellent picks. We would want to compare people who shared similar defensive roles.

    PG:
    Rondo is a good choice to compare against Jack. Plays solid and doesn't gamble.
    Kidd makes a good comparison point for Vasquez.
    Paul gambles too much. I would put Westbrook in the list to lookup.

    Wings:
    Iggy is one of the best defensive wings.
    LBJ is one of the best defensive players at any position.
    Brewer I wouldn't really trust. Wade and Bryant aren't what they used to be.
    Tony Allen would be a real good one to look at.

    Bigs:
    Chandler has been outstanding
    Howard has also been awesome.
    Garnett wasn't doing well at PF, but did ok at C.
    Man, it is hard to think of a great defensive PF. Josh Smith, I think?

    Team DRB% while that player is on the floor would also be something good to look at. Possessions don't end until a score or defensive rebound.

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    His pick and roll defense is pretty bad.

    Nearly a point per play, 50% shooting, and the offensive player scores 47% of the time.

    Next highest is spotting up but I'm sure everyone is high there, also nearly a point per play.

    Last year it was at 0.83 per play, 40% shooting, and 41% of the time the player scores, in terms of p&r. His iso defense wasn't as good either, 0.63, 25%, 13.4% ended in fouls, and 32% of the time they scored.


    Gordon / Wade / Tony Allen:
    PPP- 0.78 / 0.78 / 0.81
    FG%- 33.8% / 35.4% / 36.3%
    %SF- 6.6% / 5.3% / 7.3%
    %TO- 13.2% / 9.9% / 12.6%
    %Score- 34.1% / 35.2% / 36.8%

    Isolation:
    PPP- 0.42 / 0.49 / 0.68
    FG%- 12.5% / 24.6% / 34%
    %SF- 8.3% / 4% / 9.5%
    %TO- 16.7% / 13.3% / 21.6%
    %Score- 16.7% / 25.3% / 33.8%

    Tony Allen does rank #1 in hand off defense though.
    Last edited by AD23forMVP; 05-07-2012 at 02:41 PM.

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    Joakim Noah is a great defender as well.

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    What's the difference between iso defense and on the ball defense?

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    Thanks CP3forMVP! I always have to wonder if it may be due to matchups and other things. Defense is so hard to judge with any stats and we only have access to the most basic of them.

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    Chris Paul has become more of a complete defender.

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    A couple of things that stood out to me:

    Ariza is really underrated defensively. You say something like "his numbers arn't that better than others" but consider he is almost always cross matched with the best offensive player on the other team. He is cross matched and still puts up good numbers, thats very impressive.

    The exact opposite of what I said for Ariza can be said for Marco. The guy is usually cross matched to the weaker wing player on the other team, and he put up subpar numbers. Not impressive.

    Aminu was alot worse defensively than what I would have assumed. I'm sure he will improve over time, but it seemed like he was fairly skilled at it already.

    Xavier is bad offensively and defensively. Guy needs to work hard this offseason.

    Always knew Jack wasn't that grat on D, but here are the numbers to prove it. Still, he's not unbearably bad like alot of people like to make him out to be. D just isn't his strong suit.

    JSmith is a better defender than I thought he was. Is there anything that this guy didn't improve on?

    Gordon is a damn fine defender.

    Wow Watkins, small sample size, but thats just bad.

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    Of all the digging I've done for numbers, Watkins is the only guy I who allows a point per play...

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    What would be neat is to see how each of these players caused a difference in their opponents offensive stats. Like yeah, Marco gives up .9 PP (or whatever it was), but is that more or less than the average of the opponent he is guarding?

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    What's ironic about J Jack is that when I looked around on the draft websites, defense was actually looked at as a strong suit of his. But I think one thing to take into consideration there is the greater number of superstar and lightning-quick PGs there are now compared to when he first came out...at least it seems like there are faster PGs now, I could be wrong.

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    No, you are right, djpaul. Due to a combination of available athletes and rules, driving and slashing to the hoop is more effective than it used to be. Can you imagine Stockton trying to prevent the guards of today driving past him? If you are not exceptionally quick, you are considered slow nowadays.

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