I would want either Voodoo or Knights. I wouldn't mind Brass.
We've been spinning our wheels on this for what, a month or two and really haven't gotten a true consensus. While Brass and Krewe have the most supporters, I don't think either one INDIVIDUALLY has a majority among us. VooDoo and Jazz have lots of supporters as well but neither name is logistically realistic right now.
We all have our different tastes and while each name from Arc Angels to Krewe and Knights to Voodoo can be rationalized with creativity and local relevance, no one has really swayed over anyone with their arguments. I want a name that's simple yet unique, not overboard or amateurish but still has a kick. Others want a local flair regardless of amateur feel. Some want anything that is ultra creative, simplicity and genericness be cursed. No one is making headway on convincing another.
What I REALLY want to know is the collective mindset and goal of this rebrand committee. If they have orders from Benson that he wants nothing generic, then Knights may as well drop dead. If he wants no duplication, then Buccaneers, Voodoo, and Jazz are out. If the new name has to have at least SOME degree of national and worldwide appeal in addition to local appeal, then Krewe can be dropped right now.
We need to know a focus. Feels like we are flapping gums for nothing.
Last edited by djpaul89; 04-21-2012 at 11:08 AM.
I also believe the football team took that name because the franchise got awarded to the city on All Saints Day. Was quite simple.
i'm hoping for the Voodoo as well. i dont care that some crappy Arena team has it as there are a few teams out there with the same names
I'd really like for everybody to stop calling one another's name ideas dumb, etc. You have to remember that this is all for fun and each person has their own individual reason for wanting the team to be called by that name. When Benson folded the original VooDoo franchise I was upset because I loved the name, colors and the fact that the AFL was here to generate income for the city and actually had a decent team. The new owner of the brand, because he already owned his team, thought well enough to buy that name and everything else with it, to associate with his teams move to New Orleans.
It was a smart business move! The only problem is that the team is not what it originally was and it will never be. The same can be said if the Hornets brand goes back to Charlotte. It would only be for nostalgia and financial benefits because there is no LJ, Zo or Bogues coming out of that starting line up! In essence it would be the same for us if we were to get the Jazz back. The move would just be righting a wrong from many years ago but like many here have said, wait for the announcers to call us the Utah Jazz!
We have the golden opportunity that many have sought since this franchise first came here and that is to make this team ours! I'm not setting aside the feelings of those who love the team for the colors, name, etc. Keep in mind that if Benson is that dead set on ridding the team of the Hornets identity, other than using the brand for an eventual throwback which teams only do FOR financial benefits, why wouldn't you think he'd be willing to make some coin from MJ's pocket if he were interested in bringing the Hornets brand back to Charlotte!
It's no more a financial decision than it is a decision of whether or not it's right or wrong to give Charlotte that option. An option we never had. I'm more than sure the NBA would be in favor of it because it's a good will gesture from a new owner to a struggling franchise owned by argubly the greatest player ever to wear a pro basketball uniform! Revenue streams from both ourselves and the Carolina's are going to go through the roof if it happens on their part. We know it's coming for us!
Which brings me back to my first statement. STOP BEING SO FREAKIN MEAN! If somebody wants to call us the Cafe du Monde's....well let them have their say. You don't have to jump on them for it because it's not your cup of tea or better yet chickory, it's for FUN people! That's the whole reason I started doing my concepts and the fact that I entertain message after message for people wanting their creations fleshed out. I don't tell them it's stupid. I tell them if I'm working on it already or when they can expect to see something. Who am I as an artist to tell you that your idea is worth canal water when artist have to put up with criticism the most!
I didn't understand Corsairs, ArcAngels, Pilots, Knights, etc. at first and honestly I didn't care to. But I'm not going tho sheet on somebody's dream or imagination just because I can create a logo and feel like my time isn't worth it! I actually liked doing those concepts because the one's who suggested them actually went far enough into the thinking to give the reasoning for the name. It still won't be up to any of us what this team is eventually called but at least when it's all said and done, they can say "well, at least this is what it could have looked like!"
And that's all that really matters. The woulda', shoulda', coulda'! WE SHOULD HAVE THE NAME JAZZ! Yeah! But we not getting it! Sorry! I've sailed that ship. WE SHOULD KEEP THE HORNETS! Well the new owner sorry to say, thinks otherwise! You want the VooDoo, I LOVE the VooDoo! But I'm not in favor of ripping it from an already local team no matter how horrible they are just to satisfy the cravings of a few who deem them unworthy to represent it! That owner paid his money to Benson for it and unless he's willing to deal it back, like the Jazz, the VooDoo ship has sailed with it!
There has been no less than a thousand naming options I'm willing to bet through 35+ pages of re-brand talk. It will all come down to just one in the end and we will just have to accept it for what it is. I don't think Benson will be willing to deal himself a bad hand in dropping the ball on a re-brand especially since the Saints have become even more relevant since Katrina and the Super Bowl. He has too much invested aside from the $340mil he paid for the team. He has a brand and a reputation that will be at stake. If he thinks that Bounce, Pride or Knights should be in the conversation, you can bet that they will have 10 different logo and uniform treatments for each name for him to look at.
I don't have that kind of time. I can make a concept off of many suggestions and tweak them as whomever see's fit! I let people tell me what they see and I do my best to bring it to life. If I worked for a big marketing firm then yeah, It would be my job to do 10 different concepts but even big firms/companies get it wrong from time to time (i.e. Thunder, Bengals). This isn't my job. My job is selling beer and liquor in my bar. Concepting logo's and uniforms is my enjoyment! It's what makes me happy in my spare time aside from being a proud parent to a 4yr old.
The idea for your own team in all it's fashion should be your enjoyment also. And nobody has the right to stop you from saying so!
As an adult I understand VooDoo... But if you're a parent and you don't live here do you buy VooDoo gear?...
I think Soul is good.
The Saints and Soul.
Another reason I like Knights is because I see great logo potential. Not only could you use a knight's head/helmet silhouette, but a sword could easily act as a fleur-de-lis base like how the Zephyrs use with a baseball bat. Plus, a wrought iron or fleur-de-lis design could be incorporated in the silhouette of a shield or knight's head. Voodoo has some mean logo potential too, and the AFL team already tapped into some of that.
Last edited by djpaul89; 04-21-2012 at 11:49 AM.
Soul can mean many different things but most of which are positive or of neutral
Please no Krewe. It's almost a joke. So we like Mardi Gras, I think that's a given. Let's be the Flambeauxs then (kidding). I might just keep my Hornets gear if Krewe is the choice. As for Dukes, I actually think that could work as could the Knights (not as confident on that one) provided the logo just kicks ***. No doubt in 1967 the Saints sounded weak to many...look what happened...the best color scheme and logo in all of sports. The artwork is crucial.
No brass, no voodoo, no knights. To many obvious generic thinkers here. We need a unique name. But for some reason those names get shot down.
I'm with you on artwork and branding too. I'll probably embrace any name as long it incorporates a classy & sleek logo design and word font. From there, successful branding and merchandising should naturally follow suit. As apathetic as I am for the name Krewe, BigDub's branding designs for it would make the name more than acceptable for me.
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