well, I think we all know where the proof lies...
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Dell had absolutely no choice but to pay him. Our cap will not be killed by the time his contract is up will be the time we are resigning the young guys. It will take a lot more for Dell to be public enemy #1. He did what just about any GM would do in that situation just life of the small market anyway. If he does stay injured and doesn't work out we will be fine and move on.
A lot of people I know always comment about the offense Eric will bring, but often forget that his defense is very good and much better than anyone we have of the perimeter now.
#tanksohard
T-word is like ****ting your pants. Just get a warm feeling...but in the end...you still just stink.
Williams said after Monday's practice: "He looked pretty encouraging, but we'll see how he feels tomorrow.''
I don't think they practiced yesterday, so he had a lot of time to rest and see if some swelling develops. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough when the team reports for shootaround.
I thought he was already ruled out for Wed? Are we just talking about Friday potential? I'd just be happy if he traveled with the team.
He was ruled out.
He was ruled out, but that doesn't mean he won't participate in the shootaround.
Yeah they ruled him out for tonight's game over the weekend. Haven't heard anything yet about Friday or Saturday. Hoping he can come back Friday.
Jennifer Hale's tweet:
"Eric Gordon here in Orlando, working out w/ #Hornets during shoot around. Not expected to play tonight vs #Magic."
Getting closer!!
He had a choice and he made the worst one IMO. Not only did he bet the bank on an oftenly injuried player he managed to do so while creating bad blood with said player.
I don't know how we judge which GM's would have re-signed Gordon from those who wouldn't. We see what Sam Presti does when he can't sign his players to the contracts and/or time frames he thinks is acceptable. We could have traded Gordon last year or even gave him the max deal, but instead we choose to play hard ball. Now both side are coming away looking bad. To top things off the one team that we know for sure would have given Gordon the contract he has is no longer a potential trade partner. Now if he really just doesn't want to be here or health continues to be a problem this kills us cap wise. Who's going to want to come here if 20% of the cap is going to a guy who always out of the line up?
Reading another board there seems to be a idea that Gordon will take away shots from Anderson because he looks for himself first.
Gordon may take a shot or so away from Anderson a game on average but his efficiency will go up.
Well...yeah. Of course he's going to take shots away from Anderson. Anderson won't be the #1 option.
Was he trying to make that out as a negative?
I honestly think Anderson benefits from Gordon and gets more shots then before. Gordon draws so much more attention then our other players which should free Anderson up a lot more for open looks. If its not Gordon kicking it out then it might be Gordon getting the 2 person pass hockey assist to Anderson. I see this happening a lot more now that defenses will be sucking to Gordon. The pick&pop will be awesome with these 2. A lot of times I see Anderson having to create for himself at the 3, but not in this case he can be a spot up shooter.
I like it. It's a good way to bond. Endear Eric to his teammates and vice versa.
You are gonna base Sam Presti off of one deal he did? He basically had no choice but to trade him and he got great return. It's not Dells fault the Suns were not able to trade they offered and ruined it. Dell did exactly what any GM would do match a contract for a top 5 SG. No one could predict this would happen and you can't blame either party for the knee. Dell did what was best for the Hornets and that was keep Gordon for the future whether that's a trade or a part of this team. Nobody looks stupid at all except for maybe Gordon because the things he said. He did what was best for him at the time and I forgive him. He is now a Horney and we need to let time play this situation out before we call anybody stupid.
Interesting if Gordon debuts Saturday, that is an NBA TV game against Charlotte. Hornets might get some extended gum flapping time on national tv.
By the same token, we had the same choice with Chandler a few years back and blew it. The Heat could have thrown in the towel on Wade after the injury-riddled start to his career (he had seasons of 61, 75, 75, 51 and 50 games). The sword cuts both ways, and people would be burying Demps the same way Bower got buried for letting Chandler go.
Not saying you have no point here; I get the feeling the Hornets probably ruffled his feathers in the way they handled him ... and purely speculating, I bet it had to do with exactly how "injured" he was last year, and the ensuing failure to max him out after whatever they agreed mutually to do that season.
But I disagree with the notion that you always err on the cautious side. Gordon is the type of player you take the risk on, a legitimate go-to player and upper tier talent. If it doesn't work out (and early returns aren't promising), then so be it; but you'll have a hard time luring a player of that caliber regardless - just ask Dallas these days.
You keep saying these GM's have no choice. Then what are they being paid for. Presti had a choice and a much bigger window for Harden, but he understood the longer things play out usually the more leverage for the trading team reduces.
As far as predicting that a player labeled as injury prone would either get injured or stay injured doesn't really take much foresight IMO.
Personally I didn't have EJ as a top 5 SG mostly because of his injury problems.
Demps put himself in a position to act from weakness. Having to match a contract for a guy you consider a franchise player is an awful decision. The league has max contracts in place so the only way you can blow signing a franchise player is if he gets injured. Gordon is mentally weak which is ok, but as a GM if you are going to pay a player of that mindset you must cater to that player. These are all decisions Demps is paid millions to make.
This isn't about erring on the side of caution it's about risk vs reward.
I did the math and Gordon had missed more games than Wade in the same time. Even if it was identical Wade proved he could have a championship impact on a team. Gordon has proved he can even have a playoff impact on a team.
Chandler wasn't injury prone (at least not to the degree of Gordon) and he wanted to be here and we didn't have to offer him a max deal.
You just made my point Preti had a much bigger window. Preti actually had time and a whole season to figure out what to do. Hornets had a couple of days to match. He's Dell did what any GM of a small market team would do. We just traded our start for this kid we have no choice but the match Phoenix. Please tell me what you would have done? Let Gordon walk for nothing? Trade him to who? Matching a contract is an afoul decision? How? Gordon got hurt this happens no one except god could predict this. What about Wade the Heat should have let his injury prone ** go right? No sticking with him and now has 2 rings on his second max. Would that surprise anyone that you don't have Gordom or didn't in your top 5? I seriously doubt it. Talking about awful decision you are the only person who believes taking Drummond over Davis is the right move. Would Dell be a horrible GM for that? No of course not to you but he is for resigning Gordon, seriously!?
Wade proved he was championship material with Shaq and LeBron. Did you ever watch the Heat when DWade was on a team without other stars how bad they were? Obviously not. DWade was always hurt with nagging injuries and is still. I guess he an injury prone guard not worth anything. Don't even say championships because that is because of a good team and other great players also. When he was alone they were last team in the East playoffs if they were lucky and would get blown out. Have you let Gordon get a chance to prove anything? I don't know how you think Dell looks like an idiot. You have not even let the situation play out to see if Gordon is championship material like your Wade or Drummond.
You mean Wade's rookie year? He was pretty damn good then too. Gordon's had a few years to lead the clips to the playoffs (Which CP3 did with not much more help). Let's not really compare the two. Wade in his prime was a MVP candidate, Gordon hasn't proved that yet.
Eric Gordon on status of knee: "I doubt there will be any setbacks from now on. Things are good. It’s all about conditioning at this point.”
— Jim Eichenhofer (@Jim_Eichenhofer) December 27, 2012
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Quote:
Doug Mouton @DMoutonWWL
Eric Gordon on his knee injury: I doubt there will be any setbacks from now on, unless I really bang it. We figured out the problem.. (more)
I guess all we can do is sit and watch and........................................ hope for the best?Quote:
Doug Mouton @DMoutonWWL
(more) Gordon on knee: ..and we've been working on it. Things are good. It's all about the conditioning at this point.
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The point is either Gordon was a max player at the time or he wasn't. If Dell thought he was he should have given him that deal the minute he was able. Likewise if he didn't think Gordon was a max player he should have traded him the minute he realized EJ wouldn't sign for what he thought was appropiate amount, the minute he was able to make a trade. Trying to let the market decide whether or not EJ was a max player was a awful move IMO. Especially with so many players being over-paid in free agency. This in a year where the hold on other teams caps space had been reduced making it easier to offer a contract.
With the creation of max deals it made GM's job easy when it comes to signing a player they think is a max player. Every superstar on a max contract is a steal for every franchise.
I don't get the "No one ,but God could have predicted this" line. That's why there's a pharse called "Injury prone". When we we're having indepth decision about re-signing Gordon it was my strongest point. This guy stays injuried.
Wade had proven much more than Gordon had at that point in both players careers. Not sure if or how you can dispute that. That alone made the reward much greater for the Heat.
Last years record without Gordon: 15-42 (.263)
Last years record with Gordon: 6-3 (.667)
This years record so far: 6-22 (.214)
DaThrone, what is your point that you're trying to get across? What's the message? What's the reason for you to STILL, after months, beating the same thing over and over? What gives?
I swear, you're just like a woman that catches her man cheating, she'll repeat the same thing over and over for years every day, reminding him of the same event!
So based upon this logic there's no point in discussing things that already happened if they aren't old enough to be concluded.
There's nothing wrong with discussing situations as they progress. Also even if this contract does work that doesn't change my initial opinion and logic behind my stance.