Funny how Rivers' epic first step hasn't shown up quite yet in the NBA. ;) :hihi:
Well, I think both of you went a little far... GeneralGreivis probably see other posts from someone else.
For the point guard upgrade option, sure you can upgrade Vasquez to one of those hot point guards out there. I currently see more need to upgrade in other positions though. There are more than just Chris Paul mode of building team, which you have the best point guard that makes everyone else looking better. While there are also like Miami heat mode, Memphis mode. On those teams the foward position, front court are invested more.
For Hornets, now we invested on Anderson, Davis, and Gordon. We might pick another point guard. But I would think it worth more to pick a better center or small foward.
Vasquez cannot get around his defender without help is the point I was trying to make. When you have a PG that cannot create penetration on his own that seriously limits what you can do offensively. Thankfully Davis is a great P&R player, but for some reason he rarely gets passed the ball in those situations.
Vasquez would be best used as SG playing a Manu Ginobli type of roll. He Reminds me of him with a similar skill set but more of Passer/ball handler then scorer. No way am I saying he is that good, but in the right situation could be a very good player. He is a very capable starting PG who is slow footed with a weakness of pick&roll and covering faster guards. I think better suited as a good teams back up SG or PG being a ball handler/playmaker. He has proven he can still get it done with a very young team. Without Gordon we could definitely use a true starting PG who has the foot speed to play our predominately pick&roll offense. With Gordon we should cover that flaws with our PGs and SGs. He is one of the best pick&roll guards in the NBA when healthy.
I don't see the problem with being a good backup in the NBA. Fans act like it is degrading to come off the bench. If we have the opportunity to draft or trade for an upgrade at PG, it can seriously help us having GV in the 2nd unit.
we are reasonably close, but we still have more guys on the court that are more likely to hurt us at crunch time than take us over the top....
We like to say that Vasquez is best defending SGs, but Williams doesn't switch Vasquez/ Rivers/Roberts very often on defense. Vasquez almost always guard the opposing PG on defense unless Williams have him off ball playing SG.
Maybe Williams doesn't value man defense and may be the reason why he doesn't see Vasquez as a liability on defense. The one position that Williams has been critical on has been SF. Maybe he feels that a competent SF on defense is the missing piece to his defensive rotations. Williams is generally fine with his perimeter players getting beat as long as they force the opposing player towards the help defense.
As for Vasquez on offense, he needs Eric Gordon. Why? Because teams won't bring ball pressure defense against Vasquez if Gordon is on the floor. Gordon will surely make them pay for leaving him. As for his limitations, Gordon would handle the ball late in games and take pressure off of Vasquez from making plays he isn't capable of.
I think that we already know what we have in Vasquez but there is still a big unknown that involves Gordon. Once Gordon returns and gives us a good sample size on his chemistry with Vasquez, we'll better understand where this team stands on the perimeter.
I didn't even mention Vasquez in the original post but I agree, he has his flaws. Most of them are on the defensive side of the ball though. He'd look better with a better team for sure. I mean he's playing with Austin Rivers (who will eventually be good but right now he's been pretty bad) and someone new every night at SF. There's not a whole lot of help. He's not a starter but I think he's doing an admirable job given the circumstances. Also I expect him and Davis to form some better chemistry as time goes on. Vasquez will learn Davis' tendencies and will be able to get him the ball more often. They've only played about 10 games together. Give them time.
I am not object to him going to bench at all. What I enjoy the most from him is the energy he brings to the court. Like in last two games, he almost brought the team back but failed at the end.
It's always good to have full of talent on the team. But we really need to add some other offense dimensions other than what we have right now. First, we don't have a swing man yet. Second, we don't have a skilled big man. I envy the teams having Marco Gasol, David Lee , of course Tim Duncan, even Paul Gasol. Those are big mans can pass, which really make your offense more diversified.
For the hornets, Ryan Anderson seems can pass but he already has too much to do at this moment. Then it comes to Davis and Lopez, I prefer to have Davis developed that way, which will take time.
I Agree about Vasuqez but I never said he hasn't done a respectable job or should be out the NBA I just said IMO he isn't our starter for the future. Maybe his deficiencies on defense wouldn't be noticed as much if EJ were here???? But he isn't and I am starting to approach things like he wont be. I just think if there is an opportunity to upgrade the PG position we should take it.
What is more impressive: A team that scores 100 points on 100 possessions or a team that scores 95 points on 90 possessions? Team efficiency is way more important than basic numbers. Chris Paul always plays at a slower pace and so his teams will never lead in PPG. But they're almost always top 5 in efficiency (see 2007-2008 Hornets) which is way more important.
And yeah, Gordon would make him look way better I think. We'll see what happens there. Maybe Gordon returns next week and he plays 50 games this year and everything looks good. Maybe he's shipped out for peanuts. Who knows? I agree though, if we have the chance to upgrade PG I think we should take it. I like Vasquez but he is not a starter on a good team. I like Jeff Teague a lot and would be interested in adding him to the team.
I don't think we really disagree on Vasquez. I was just pointing out what you said about the team's offensive production.
Please read more carefully I was referring passing skill of big man. None of our big mans are even close in that area. The ones I mentioned are having at least 3.5 assist per game.
Maybe I should add Joakim Noah as well.
I also said I hope Davis can develop a passing skill, which he clearly is learning now. Also post move as I said in my other posts.