Pelicans (5-15) vs Thunder (17-4) 12/12/12

The things people say after a loss. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I hope they see that when they look at the film of this game. They don't have the point guard 'vision' that we need most of the time.

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I felt Roberts was looking somewhere else when Davis and Smith were open and Vasquez seemed to be completely turned around every time.

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Originally Posted by Ceedee M

If it went in you would not care. Vasquez has hit money shots before. Anybody other than Anderson, yall will complain. The man put all the people who can hit a 3 in the game if it came to it. Greivis shot looked good. Find another scapegoat.

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Actually I'm not one of those fans. Vasquez shouldn't of been in the position to take the game winning shot when rivers/roberts have been hitting their 3s tonight. Period

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I don't understand why Monty doesn't run Rivers at the point and let Roberts play off the ball. Much better fit for both their skill sets. I think Roberts actually has a place in this league as a scorer off the bench (especially as a catch-and-shoot guy), but he has to be used right.

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They ALL have to be used right. I don't like that Davis seems to spend so much time on the perimeter. He's not a guard anymore. All players need to be put in positions to succeed. Put them in positions to use their strengths.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Actually I'm not one of those fans. Vasquez shouldn't of been in the position to take the game winning shot when rivers/roberts have been hitting their 3s tonight. Period

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Vasquez has hit big threes plenty of times in the past. Monty did right he stretched the court with able 3 point shooters.

Monty just said they were trying to get that last play to AD.

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Originally Posted by Nsingh93

Vasquez has hit big threes plenty of times in the past. Monty did right he stretched the court with able 3 point shooters.

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Ok,so you would rather have vasquez and ryno in that play rather than rivers/roberts and ryno in that play?? Ok

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Jack puts up empty numbers. He is good for the occasional game winner, but for the most part, he folds in the clutch.

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That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

Monty just said they were trying to get that last play to AD.

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I couldn't tell. That play looked specifically drawn up for ryno at the 3 line.

Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.

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I agree compared to Vasquez who is a crappy starter or backup. Jack is a solid starter if needed and very good off the bench.

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.

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Jack has always been a good backup. Even his 10-11 season, he was a really good back up for CP3.

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

Jack and Landry have been very good off the bench this season for the Warriors. I didn't mind trading Jack, but he's much better than Vasquez who flat out sucks.

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Yeah I'm done with Greivis. Don't even want him as a backup anymore.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's bull. Jack had a lot of short comings as a starting PG, but his numbers were not empty. He played a huge role in keeping games close last season. He's just not starter material. Elite backup.

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jacks numbers were anything but empty. I agree with you. He did a lot of good things here on this team.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I don't understand why Monty doesn't run Rivers at the point and let Roberts play off the ball. Much better fit for both their skill sets. I think Roberts actually has a place in this league as a scorer off the bench (especially as a catch-and-shoot guy), but he has to be used right.

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I agree. Rivers needs to run the point more on this team. The other guards aren't worth a flip.

AD was posted up at the elbow. Just couldnt get him the ball. The play was for him so says Monty. Give your franchise player the chance to win it / tie it. I am ok with that. Not enough movement though. Play felt stagnant.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Yeah I'm done with Greivis. Don't even want him as a backup anymore.

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I agree. Too erratic offensively. Horrendous defensively.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ok,so you would rather have vasquez and ryno in that play rather than rivers/roberts and ryno in that play?? Ok

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I'm not sure what your trying to say. Two of Rivers threes came from slow rotations in the defense giving him an uncontested look and same goes for Roberts and Vasquez. Just because they were hitting them then doesn't mean they'd wet it for the final shot being heavily contested.

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

AD was posted up at the elbow. Just couldnt get him the ball. The play was for him so says Monty. Give your franchise player the chance to win it / tie it. I am ok with that. Not enough movement though. Play felt stagnant.

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looked like ad was on the the other side of the basket tho. Opposite side of the play.

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Originally Posted by Nsingh93

I'm not sure what your trying to say. Two of Rivers threes came from slow rotations in the defense giving him an uncontested look and same goes for Roberts and Vasquez. Just because they were hitting them then doesn't mean they'd wet it for the final shot being heavily contested.

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I am just asking a question. Would u rather vasquez involved in that play,or rivers/roberts?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I am just asking a question. Would u rather vasquez involved in that play,or rivers/roberts?

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Rivers and Roberts were playing better in that game but in that situation you have to get the ball to whoever is open, Vasquez was and he took the shot. If it was a play drawn up for Roberts and he missed it people would be complaining wondering why we drew up a play for a rookie ball hogging PG. either way it's a lose lose, literally and figuratively.

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Originally Posted by Nsingh93

Rivers and Roberts were playing better in that game but in that situation you have to get the ball to whoever is open, Vasquez was and he took the shot. If it was a play drawn up for Roberts and he missed it people would be complaining wondering why we drew up a play for a rookie ball hogging PG. either way it's a lose lose, literally and figuratively.

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I hear ya. I was just stating that vasquez shouldn't of been in that position to take the shot in the 1st place. just my opinion tho. not a big deal

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

I agree compared to Vasquez who is a crappy starter or backup. Jack is a solid starter if needed and very good off the bench.

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This team would still be 5-16 with Jack! Yall are losing your damn minds behind these losses. My how we forget things! Monty had a time last year trying to figure out who to start between the both of them. Jack is a better scorer and quicker with his feet, but Vasquez has better court vision and gets his teammates more involved. If we could combine the two, we'd be set at pg!

Whatever the reason, Vasquez needs to play better. We're 7 games into the month and shooting 33% from the field this month is not going to cut it. He's doing a poor job of getting to the line. He needs to do a better job of looking for Davis.

Vasquez needs to come off the bench

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

They ALL have to be used right. I don't like that Davis seems to spend so much time on the perimeter. He's not a guard anymore. All players need to be put in positions to succeed. Put them in positions to use their strengths.

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He spends so much time out there because we don't have any guard that can execute a pick and roll with him. Vasquez is too slow and Rivers either hesitates or just drives on his own.

What this team also needs beyond the obvious is an offensive minded coach to run a Pops type scheme. Movement, screens everywhere, and passing.

If I say anymore I'll have to say that name. I ain't gonna do it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by luckyman

He spends so much time out there because we don't have any guard that can execute a pick and roll with him. Vasquez is too slow and Rivers either hesitates or just drives on his own.

What this team also needs beyond the obvious is an offensive minded coach to run a Pops type scheme. Movement, screens everywhere, and passing.

If I say anymore I'll have to say that name. I ain't gonna do it. :rolleyes:

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Say it. Everyone's not thinking it.


...well, I'm not anyway.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

He spends so much time out there because we don't have any guard that can execute a pick and roll with him. Vasquez is too slow and Rivers either hesitates or just drives on his own.

What this team also needs beyond the obvious is an offensive minded coach to run a Pops type scheme. Movement, screens everywhere, and passing.

If I say anymore I'll have to say that name. I ain't gonna do it. :rolleyes:

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No luckyman don't do it! Don't say it! It's like that M. Night Shyamalan movie where they said "those we don't speak of". :hihi:

The only consolation I have is that the Hornets are in good position right now for another top draft pick. NBADraft.net has the Hornets taking Shabazz Muhammed at #4. Imagine if they get him and play him at SF alongside the other players already on this team.

With that said, I still hope they can turn this around and at least have an entertaining season. The injuries have made a lot of the recent games almost unbearable to watch and the guard play for the most part has been absolutely atrocious.

The 4th quarter has been quite unkind. Against the Wiz, there was a lid on the basket. Tonight, the Thunder seemed to have 7 players on the court in the 4th. The Hornets keep inventing ways to lose. *sigh*:help:

Can someone tell me if Anthony Davis is really the best pick in the draft right now, because atm he doesnt look like that impact player on the get go like we thought, but i see a bright future.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Can someone tell me if Anthony Davis is really the best pick in the draft right now, because atm he doesnt look like that impact player on the get go like we thought, but i see a bright future.

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Yes he is. He's only 19! You have to be patient with him. He already is having a defensive impact on games as well as averaging double figures in scoring.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Can someone tell me if Anthony Davis is really the best pick in the draft right now, because atm he doesnt look like that impact player on the get go like we thought, but i see a bright future.

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big men take more time to develop than smaller players. He will get stronger and better in a couple of years.
i also believe that rivers also needs some time but they both did spend only one year at college so give em time man.
Lillard is doing great but in a couple of years Davis could be one of the greatest.

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Originally Posted by bradael

The only consolation I have is that the Hornets are in good position right now for another top draft pick. NBADraft.net has the Hornets taking Shabazz Muhammed at #4. Imagine if they get him and play him at SF alongside the other players already on this team.

With that said, I still hope they can turn this around and at least have an entertaining season. The injuries have made a lot of the recent games almost unbearable to watch and the guard play for the most part has been absolutely atrocious.

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If we miss him we will most likely get my Alum Marcus Smart. That I can also live with. Just don't want a tweener SF/PF like Mcadoo or Poythress as they usually just turn out to be rubbish in the NBA

2 thoughts. First, can we stop with the he's only 19 excuse? AD is good now and will be much better as his career progresses. If these 19 year olds aren't ready to play, stay in college. This same logic applies to Rivers as well. Secondly, Monty is taking AD out of his comfort zone. I read on hear all the time that traditional positions don't matter. Guess what they do. AD needs to be in the lane doing what he does best and not guarding Durant on the perimeter and taking jumpers. AD has good hands and great footwork. Get him the ball in the post. We have no post presence outside of Lopez. We have the tallest roster of dudes that only want to shoot jumpers. Finally, we need a guard (**cough** EG **cough**) that can run the pick and roll with AD. That will make Ryno more valuable. lately, Ryno has been ineffective in 2nd halves because he's playing a role that's not what he does best. He's a shooter not a playmaker. AD will help with that but Monty as to change his philosophy. I don't understand why none of our guards even attempt to get AD the ball on pnr or low post entry passes

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Originally Posted by bradael

The only consolation I have is that the Hornets are in good position right now for another top draft pick. NBADraft.net has the Hornets taking Shabazz Muhammed at #4. Imagine if they get him and play him at SF alongside the other players already on this team.

With that said, I still hope they can turn this around and at least have an entertaining season. The injuries have made a lot of the recent games almost unbearable to watch and the guard play for the most part has been absolutely atrocious.

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I've said it time and time again. We aren't going to recruit enough game changing players. We are going to have to draft the majority of our core.

We can be very entertaining and gain plenty experience for the younger guys while still losing.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

2 thoughts. First, can we stop with the he's only 19 excuse? AD is good now and will be much better as his career progresses. If these 19 year olds aren't ready to play, stay in college. This same logic applies to Rivers as well. Secondly, Monty is taking AD out of his comfort zone. I read on hear all the time that traditional positions don't matter. Guess what they do. AD needs to be in the lane doing what he does best and not guarding Durant on the perimeter and taking jumpers. AD has good hands and great footwork. Get him the ball in the post. We have no post presence outside of Lopez. We have the tallest roster of dudes that only want to shoot jumpers. Finally, we need a guard (**cough** EG **cough**) that can run the pick and roll with AD. That will make Ryno more valuable. lately, Ryno has been ineffective in 2nd halves because he's playing a role that's not what he does best. He's a shooter not a playmaker. AD will help with that but Monty as to change his philosophy. I don't understand why none of our guards even attempt to get AD the ball on pnr or low post entry passes

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If you look AD has been much more effienct hitting jumper and in the PNR. He's not affective scoring in the post as of now. He may end up being a much better post presense as his career progresses. He has great touch around the basket and a quick hook, but he isn't skilled or strong enough right now to be a consistent option in the post.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If you look AD has been much more effienct hitting jumper and in the PNR. He's not affective scoring in the post as of now. He may end up being a much better post presense as his career progresses. He has great touch around the basket and a quick hook, but he isn't skilled or strong enough right now to be a consistent option in the post.

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Well if you watched Anthony DAvis' two airballs and his other two or three jumpers not even close to making then you got to worry what else can he consistently do.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Well if you watched Anthony DAvis' two airballs and his other two or three jumpers not even close to making then you got to worry what else can he consistently do.

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I've never seen somebody complain as much as you do, especially after a tough loss. Do you even realize that Davis was in the top-4 in the LEAGUE in PER. IN THE LEAGUE!!! The only guys in front of him were LeBron, Durant, and someone else, can't remember. That means he made a immediate impact as a 19 year old rookie. Chill man, Davis isn't the problem.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I've never seen somebody complain as much as you do, especially after a tough loss. Do you even realize that Davis was in the top-4 in the LEAGUE in PER. IN THE LEAGUE!!! The only guys in front of him were LeBron, Durant, and someone else, can't remember. That means he made a immediate impact as a 19 year old rookie. Chill man, Davis isn't the problem.

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Well with a 5-16 record theres a lot to complain about isnt there.

And yes i love Anthony DAvis his my man, i just see a team using him poorly atm.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Well if you watched Anthony DAvis' two airballs and his other two or three jumpers not even close to making then you got to worry what else can he consistently do.

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It was just one game. He has a nice jumper and will most likely only get better. Name me a player let alone a rookie who hasn't had a rough night shooting the ball?

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Well with a 5-16 record theres a lot to complain about isnt there.

And yes i love Anthony DAvis his my man, i just see a team using him poorly atm.

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I'm just saying bro, Davis has exceeded expectations, and my expectations for him were high. I don't think Monty is sure how to use him yet because I don't think Davis is sure how to use his tools yet. The guy is a bit of an unprecedented freak. I think they will figure it out as they go, so for now, just sit back and enjoy the ride because we only get it once.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It was just one game. He has a nice jumper and will most likely only get better. Name me a player let alone a rookie who hasn't had a rough night shooting the ball?

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How dare you ask that question he should shoot 90% from the field every night!!!

AD is going to be a great NBA player. We need to cater to his strengths though. I'm ok with some jumpers but his bread and butter should be in the post. I think he's surprised us with how well he can shoot it but at the end of the day, he's great around the basket and should get more touches there.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Can someone tell me if Anthony Davis is really the best pick in the draft right now, because atm he doesnt look like that impact player on the get go like we thought, but i see a bright future.

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Anthony Davis is averaging 17 ppg outside of the two games against OKC. 19 points if you exclude the Jazz game.

That's an impact player, and couple that with the other things he does? He's the best, by far. He is somewhat struggling against OKC, but with guys like Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison that should be expected.

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Originally Posted by SharlieCheen

big men take more time to develop than smaller players. He will get stronger and better in a couple of years.
i also believe that rivers also needs some time but they both did spend only one year at college so give em time man.
Lillard is doing great but in a couple of years Davis could be one of the greatest.

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And something else we shouldn't forget is that Davis hasn't been a "big man" all that long. He's been a big for what, 2, 3 years? I've already said that we shouldn't be trying to make him a perimeter player. I mean the occasional jumpshot is nice. It's one that a lot of people didn't think he had. He needs to be in the position to succeed though. That goes for all players, especially rookies. At the moment, no plays are really ran for him.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Well with a 5-16 record theres a lot to complain about isnt there.

And yes i love Anthony DAvis his my man, i just see a team using him poorly atm.

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This is what I see too. It's up to coaches to put a player in his best position to use his best strengths. I really hope that one day, we will see this team at full strength. I'd like starters that can start at least half a season with each other. I'm tired of the in and out shuffling of the lineups. We never seem to get any good chemistry because of the injuries and the lineup shufflings.

We have had 34 different starting lineups since Monty and Dell took over. It's time for some consistency.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

We have had 34 different starting lineups since Monty and Dell took over. It's time for some consistency.

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Next year will mark the last time the team will have teamwide roster changes (until the eventual rebuild). The consistency in the lineup will probably only come in the 2014-2015 season. Our high lottery draft pick should be starting by then and we should be competing in the playoffs. Next season will still be volatile since I anticipate that draft pick joining us as well as another starter through FA.

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