Vasquez for Calderon?
Vasquez for Calderon?
I would like to add Calderon but it seems like it's really hard to work salary wise unless we're going to give up Gordon for him which I would not do.
What do you guys think about Vasquez and Aminu to Minny for Williams and Ridnour.
Actually now that I think about it an Eric Gordon for Jose Calderon + Terrence Ross deal is appealing. Ross has struggled but he's still a rookie and was the 8th pick in the draft. We'd basically have 3 top 10 picks from this draft going forward along with Anderson and insane cap space.
Stay away from terrance ross.. I follow the raptors a lot and the guy has bust written all over him. He is just skin and bones right now and doesnt have the frame to really put on more muscle and weight. He has short arms and he has an aminu type demeanor on the court which i hate. His shot release is also slow and not nearly as smooth as what i tought it was coming out of college.
Valanciunas is the only player on that team i would take but he is the one guy they wont trade.
Ye Ross looks awful, i mean people complain about Rivers being a bust, Ross is a tonn worse and Rivers is actually really looking good last few games.
Probably isn't a good idea to trade a younger version of Calderon for a much more expensive expiring version of Calderon.
rivers is gonna be a westbrook type of PG, not as good a scorer but better smarter passer, give him time in 2 years he will be a freak
Im finding it impossible now to think of a decent trade deal that would benefit both teams for vasquez.. argh
Its obviously vasquez inconsistent play and Aminu overall crap play thats weighing this team down alot.
As sad as it is, I dont think Toronto even takes Gordon for Calderon and Ross. I think the Hornets would have to take on Bargnani's horrible contract, or at the very least, Amir Johnson. If I could get Calderon and Ross for Gordon, I would jump at it. Add another top 5 pick and go into next summer with 30 mil in cap room, the youngest team in the league and no bad contracts on my books. Try to find more young vets like Dell did with Ryno and Lopez this summer.
If Ross was as good IRL as he was in NBA 2K he'd be challenging for rookie of the year. That dude does not friggin' miss.
I know Johnson was involved in something really silly the other night, but I would still take him in a minute....
Jason smith> Amir Johnson
Bledsoe, Rivers, Roberts
Yeah, I can get down with that roster.
I understand you are skeptical because you want to believe that we have these assets to use, but I promise you that we can not trade those contracts. This is dead money on our books and it comes off at the end of the year.
This is why I was always confused by the Warrick for Carroll trade and then the subsequent buyout. Demps said he did it "as a favor to Warrick". That is nice and all Dell, but if that is true, it is a poor tactical decision. Having an expiring that can help contracts match in a trade is more valuable to a franchise than doing right by a scrub player who never did anything for the franchise.
If the deal was done to save 500K, then that is fine- but just say that. Don't try to sell it as a favor to a player when not having that contract can come back to bite you in the butt during the trade period
gordon for calderon and ross? U wanna trade one of the best SGs in the league for an old expiring calderon and ross who looks absolutely terrible? Not only would toront do that trade, they'd then trade gordon back to use for ross and calderon then do the whole thing over again.
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. Regarding the Warrick/Carrol trade and buyout, that was all about the money IMO. You save $500k just with the salary difference and then whatever he Carrol was bought out for. I think it was you that pointed out Demps paid for his own extension since that was announced not too long after.
And it is not about trading Gordon for Ross and Calderon, it is about getting that contract off the books, removing the drama, and setting the roster up for long term success. Ross and 12 million in cap room vs. Gordon. Which is better long term for this franchise? If you believe that this will be the last Gordon injury, then this decision is obvious. But if you believe like I do that Gordon will be injured every year for numerous games, then you cut the cord now because his continual absence will hurt the ability to make strides as a cohesive team. You look around the league and teams that grew from a young team with potential to a greatness (Thunder, early 2000 Spurs) did so because their starters played together 75-80 games per season.
Roles were defined and they didn't continually change. If Gordon misses 20-30 games per year, you will then be forced to ask Rivers and Davis to play differently for those games, then assume new roles when he comes back, then change again, back and forth. Not a recipe for success IMO.