I was one of the people who was super depressed when we barely missed out on drummond. Having said that this thread is ridiculous because its preseason. I believed drummond and lilliard would be better than rivers (hence he fell to us and they didn't). Rivers has plenty flaws, but he does do plenty things well. If we are patient with him he should grow into a good player. Now good day.
Oh. Ok. Gotcha.
How about we just see the good right now? Instead of looking for the bad, see what's good and truly there. Instead of worrying about potential, how about what we got right now because we really don't know nor control the future. Let what we see now, guide us into the future. *The wuggie has spoken* lol
This is an extremely dumb thread.
I can give you the Rivers is two years younger than Lillard spiel, or he has "pedigree argument." I can give you the Rivers is a hungry, hardworking player who has been around the game his entire life. I can give you that Rivers is the best pure scorer to come out this draft, and his first step is elite.
But I won't. We didn't have the chance to draft either of these players. There is absolutely no reason to look back at "what couldn't have been".
Is Lillard better than Rivers right now? Yes. Is it fair to say that the gap between these two won't decrease? Hell no. You can't judge a draft class before a regular season game has yet to be played. Be patient with Rivers, and relish at the thought that Davis is going to rock a teal jersey for the next six years.
We have 1-2 more years of playing mediocre basketball. I, for one, will look back and laugh at all these negative and purely speculative threads. And, of course, I will continue to roll my eyes at every single DaThrone post and not give them a second of my time and day.
In regards to Drummond, he is an athletic freak. We all knew that; it shouldn't be surprising that he is putting up good numbers against lackluster, preseason talent. He is just as raw as Austin, though, and the smarter Detroit fans will soon enough be preaching patience to their fellow fans just as the smarter Hornets fans are preaching patience to their fellow fans today. I am not saying that it is a given Rivers will become an elite PG. What I am saying is that you can't make that call today. Nobody can. And shame on you for trying :P
We have a great, young core right now. Let's enjoy watching them grow. The rest will take care of itself.
Can we just end this dumb thread? Da throne's avatar always looked like the space invader alien to me somewhat, which is funny.
A lot of people know that I was driving the Lillard bus hard, and I was not a fan of Rivers.
But yeesh. I always give rookies 2-3 years to develop. To judge someone on their first preseason action is completely insane.
Just for comparison's sake, I went through Westbrook and Irving's preseason rookie stats (for the entire preseason):
37%FG, 75%FT, 27%3p
34%FG, 87%FT, 0%3p
I for one don't mind Throne's consistent repeat...repudiations of Davis's skills and potential.
It's cool for guys and gals like me (the guy part, I mean) to sing Davis' praises without problem. Why should anything to the opposite side be denied? Gotta keep the conversation flowing. It's boring if it's all onesided. It's not like he's being clearly inflammatory.
It's like to argue the same point over and over again makes no sense. If no one agrees with you so be it, you can control what everyone thinks. Are you doing this for the single reason if somehow Davis sucks, just to be right and call everyone else wrong down the line? Hell you can wait for that to "potentially" happen instead of reminding us of what could be everytime you get a chance. To down that we are going on what potentially happen might is hypocritical because you do the same thing with Drummond. How about you wait before you say Drummond is better than Davis or that Davis is not that good as we think?
So if like you guys I was to repeat how great Davis is/will be that's prefectly fine and doesn't make me any less reputable. However being at the other end of the specturm that makes everything completey different? Note I didn't even bring Davis up just responding to some one else, and didn't say anything negative at all about Davis in the post to boot.
Regardless, I'm done addressing this. My point has been made, and I am sure DaThrone's one point will be made several more times. More power to him, I guess :rolleyes:.
However that wasn't even what my post said in this thread. I was just asking some here to use the same logic of not going over board about the preseason one way or the other when it doesn't suit their opinions.
I don't get the arguement? Despite the whole point you can't judge a rookie for a few years as everyone develops at a different pace, both these players were selected above us.
The opening poster argues we could have traded up easy, who says we could have? Lots of teams wanted to try trade up (rumoured Boston, Dallas and Houston) and didn't manage to get in the top 10, so its not as easy as it is to write.
I would understand your point slightly more if you were going on about rookies selected after the 10th pick but even then its too early to digest things.